Anand Giridharadas

Even when Tina Brown knew enough to call him a pedophile.

as you say, a quite small number of people who presumably were involved in the worst crimes.

It was a larger number who maybe knew about them and looked the other way.

It was a larger number still who maybe were just at parties where things happened.

But eventually you're talking about all or many of the most prestigious institutions in this country, universities, corporations, law firms, conferences, down the line.

So tell me a bit about Epstein and Les Wexner.

I mean, it's a remarkable story, and The Times has done extraordinary reporting on this.

Let's start at the beginning.

He is, Jeffrey Epstein, is from Coney Island, New York.

comes of age with a burning desire to have money, to be in the elite.

By the way, I think this is such an interesting thing.

This is not being in Alabama and wanting to make it in New York.

This is this outer borough thing.

I think this emotion of the outer borough right near Manhattan, desire to make it in Manhattan, has become one of the defining political forces of our age.

Donald Trump.

Donald Trump.

And he gets a job teaching at Dalton, an elite private school on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

And there's a sort of, there's been a bunch of different reporting on how he was the kind of guy who a lot of the dads somehow seemed to want to help.

Like he was a popular teacher.

And so, you know, have you thought about working in this?