Anand Giridharadas

And this was this entree into something maybe different, maybe something they felt they were owed.

I think it's a very important point because people like Steve Tisch don't actually email.

like this a lot there.

I mean, again, this is a obviously reckless email and the ultimate recklessness is that Ezra Klein is reading your emails about soliciting women on a podcast.

So obviously it didn't work out for him.

However, generally,

These people are very careful.

And so it is worth remembering, as you point out, that we are seeing, whatever you're seeing, imagine 10 times more than it.

Imagine 10 times more names.

Imagine, you know, that is happening in phone calls.

that is happening in things that we will never see and never know, right?

Imagining what is happening in rooms that is not documented in a legal paper trail.

That's really important.

Not to mention just documents that the Trump administration will not release.

In my book, Winners Take All, which is a lot about this class of people, one of my characters is Lori Tisch, who's Steve's sister.

And, you know, when I was writing that book, it was really important to me to not simply judge this world from the outside, but to talk to people who are in this world about how they see the world.

And I did that with many different types of people.

And Lori was one of the billionaires I spoke to who I was very grateful came on the record and basically talked about the world from her point of view.

And she said, you know, things like,

It's a very unfair world.