Anand Giridharadas

Courage.

I think we have found out

that it is in really short supply, and that people who actually have the things that you would think would make you courageous.

I think that if I had Harvard's endowment at my back, I think I would be more courageous than Anand sitting here with you right now.

It turns out that's not what it seemed to do for people.

If I owned a law firm...

I would think that would make me more courageous, but we've found otherwise.

And then you look at these people in Minneapolis whose names no one even knows, except for the two that they shot.

And people who, after they were shot, go out again and again and again.

And you look at their courage.

And it's incredible that all of these people in academia, in law firms, in corporations...

You and I go out enough, we hear these people talk about Donald Trump at parties.

They have the same contempt for him that you and I might have.

But no courage.

And I think you're right that Epstein exploited that at an earlier phase, obviously on a smaller but barbaric scale.

But in some ways, it's a dress rehearsal for now someone who's a con artist in the same vein, same kinds of business dealings and misdealings, who's been able to hijack the American republic itself because of how timid people with voice to actually say something turn out to be.

And what I would say here is that

It's great that you and I are talking about this and that, frankly, the whole country and world are talking about this story right now.

This is a story of a magnitude that comes around, but rarely.

That's progress in and of itself.