Anand Giridharadas

All these women who risked everything to tell this story, ruined their own lives to tell this story.

Virginia Giuffre, who I've been quoting, is not with us anymore, having committed suicide.

But talking about it will not on its own

Or being angry about it will not on its own lead to a world that is different from this.

This outrage could be harvested for, you know, clickbait and politicians who exactly, as you say, like Trump, could very much harvest this anger against the network only to get into power and deepen the hold of these networks.

Or this outrage could actually lead to transformative places of saying...

We don't have to be run by people who operate in networks like these.

Our political parties don't need to be dominated by donors who are at the heart of these networks.

There are so many amazing people in this country

including some who were exposed to the opportunity to be friends with Jeffrey Epstein, who said, no, thank you.

There are so many people outside of these networks, outside of these ways of thinking.

And again and again, we turn to people to run our companies, to run our political organizations, who happen to have the mentalities, the kind of amorality, the mercenary mentality, the view of other people who don't have power as kind of,

disposable things to kind of get past on the way to your own quest.

We have a choice of who we elevate in so many spheres of American life.

And I hope this story doesn't just become the greatest clickbait of all time and actually becomes a wake-up call.

And I actually think it does tie back to Epstein in this really profound way.

We started this conversation as being about the network dynamics that made what he did possible.

I think we live in an age of, and there's been a lot of books about this, of kind of network power, that the way in which power works now has more to do with networks and the dynamics of networks.

And that has many implications.

That means, you know, your connections are more of a source of power than, say, if you go back a couple hundred years, the land you owned was like a really big source of power.