Anand Giridharadas

the schools we fund that educate their employees.

Elizabeth Warren made this point very eloquently some years ago.

The roads that allow the things to come.

Do you know what a factory looks like that doesn't have roads coming up to it?

And I have been, as I was saying, part of my experience traveling, I was talking about some of the affluent countries I've traveled to.

I've also traveled to some very poor countries.

My family comes from India.

Spent a lot of time in India.

You take someone to court in India, it's like 20 years before that suit comes up.

What is that business environment?

The people who are wealthy in the United States of America

and turn around and piss on the system and degrade government are the most ungrateful people in the world.

Because even more than someone in India who can claim to have succeeded despite the system, not because of it, if you've succeeded here, you succeeded because of our system.

You succeeded because of what we paid for.

And if you are so confident that you could have done this in a place without all these things, show us.

They can't.

I love that question.

I do feel hopeful, contrary to what

you and I have been talking about and how upsetting a lot of it is, think about this.

I'll tell you some things that make me hopeful in this conversation.