Anand Giridharadas

the leaders from the followers.

And your contempt and your rage must always be directed at the top.

It is, in a way, incoherent to say there's all these people who have been duped, as I would believe, by Fox News, brainwashed by different media, taught to hate in the ways you were describing, and then to also view them as the perpetrators of all this in many ways.

the people who vote the most opposite from you are also victims of these powerful stories.

And it takes a lot of generosity sometimes to view them as people who are your fellow victims of a certain kind of regime.

But I think if we don't figure out how to have at least as much solidarity

with our friends and neighbors and family in many cases, as these powerful elites have with each other, we're cooked.

I'll tell you one thing first.

It's just like a funny thing.

My amazing wife, Priya Parker, has been on the show before, right?

She put this out publicly the other day, so I'm not...

talking out of school, but she helped Zoran's campaign quite a bit on gathering.

The first campaign, she's talked about this for years, campaigns need to think of themselves as gatherings.

His is the first campaign that ever took gathering seriously.

And she had a lot of influence over it in that realm.

And so people in our social circles and people who know us knew that she was kind of in there.

And I'll tell you something that happened.

Before he won, lots of different business people we knew who were trying to tell her how dangerous he was.

And then after he won, some of those same people were reaching out to her, asking for introductions to Zoran because they wanted to do business deals with City Hall.

Wow.