Anand Giridharadas

Dangerous.

And now you want a business partner.

Who's dangerous?

Look, what happened with Zoran was so interesting.

I think Zoran represents a wrinkle and evolution in the kind of progressive ascendancy that we've seen since Bernie's 2016 campaign, right?

So Bernie came on the scene and shocked everybody in 2016.

And then, you know, 2020 like wins everything.

first three primaries, and there's a freakout.

Obama, I think, helps orchestrate some kind of coalescing around Biden, and the rest is history.

And in the meantime, you have AOC rising, you have Elizabeth Warren also in 2020, you have a wealth tax on the agenda, which a majority of Republicans were supportive of, let alone a vast majority of Democrats.

Things are changing, right?

Things that you and I have not really seen in the discourse in our lifetime were starting to happen, right?

But I think what a lot of that progressivism, these are all people I have great respect for, but I think if you look back, there was an anger that was fueling a lot of that and an anger that was in some ways the defining affect of a lot of that movement, at least as people outside of the movement saw it, right?

And as many people inside the movement saw it.

And by the way, it was righteous anger.

If you've listened to this conversation you and I've been having, there's all the reasons to be angry, right?

But anger is tricky in politics because you're also kind of choosing a shepherd, right?

And you kind of want to go with someone.

And you want that person to be the person who's going to comfort you if there's a terrible thing that happens.

And you want that person to feel your pain, as Bill Clinton said.