Anand Giridharadas

Here's the thing, though.

Here's the difference that you alluded to.

Zoran's thing would help almost everybody in New York if it's enacted, but it would definitely cost a small number of elites money, more money in taxes, including some women who don't need free childcare because they have expensive childcare, paid childcare.

And the question is, are we going to fall for the idea of what you rightly kind of framed as almost like this kind of billionaire counteroffer?

Like, no, no, no, don't do the Zaran thing.

That's expensive for us, but they're not going to say that.

Don't do the Zaran thing.

It's unwise.

It's this, it's on that.

Exactly.

Your podcast is We Can Do Hard Things.

If I had one, I would call it We Can Have Nice Things.

Yes.

That's all we're talking about here.

And I just want to say...

I have had a privilege in my life of getting to travel.

I lived in Europe when I was a child for a few years.

I get to travel all over the world as part of my work now.

I know you travel.

If you have that privilege of travel, you start to realize very quickly that there's all these nice things that these other societies just have.