Anand Giridharadas

And they'll maybe ask you to come in for a meeting to promote your children's book or whatever it is.

And he exploited the facile nature of...

of many of these elites who have the mental skills to be serious people who evaluate character, who look up people's history, who might, for example, find a conviction for, you know, soliciting sex with a minor problematic, but who in fact, if you dined at Michael's, if you, you know, were at that party, if you were at Davos, if you were at Ted, must be all right.

And we haven't said yet in this portion of the conversation, but Epstein was also helping to occasion sexual activities.

We're going to get to that, yeah.

For Staley.

So all aspects of this brokering were at work.

And

The kind of leverage that that provides is obviously even more potentially for someone with so much to lose.

You know, deals come and go.

But Epstein had the power to destroy potentially a lot of people.

First of all, the Peter Attia thing is so striking.

I don't mean to sound old-fashioned, but

There's a lot of longevity experts now.

Everybody's so interested in longevity.

What about living well and honorably in the existing time?

Whatever that is, right?

It's so interesting to me that this is someone whose mind was focused on elongating life.

the period of time you get, who clearly had no judgment for the quality of the time, for the quality of your decisions, for the quality of your relationship.

A lot of people passed it up.