Anand Giridharadas

What these people are doing is exactly right, is saying we are the reformers, actually.

Let's take Sheryl Sandberg versus Zoran Mamdani and their ideas about empowering women, right?

Even though one of them is a woman and one of them is not.

I would argue, Sheryl Sandberg, of course, famously wrote Lean In, right?

Which to oversimplify only slightly suggests that thousands of years of patriarchy is a posture problem.

Women are just, you know, we're leaning at the wrong angle.

And if women could just change their incline, raise their hand more, speak up in a meeting, just lean further, ladies.

Like, no more like this.

You got, you know, acute angles.

She did her lean in circles.

She got a lot of celebrities to plug them.

How did she do?

Is there any social science that suggests women became more empowered as a result of her lean-in circle?

She's a very wealthy, powerful, smart person who put a lot into that.

Is there any evidence that women... Do you know any women who...

have had their lives transformed, any towns, any states where you could say the status of women changed?

Then you look at someone like Zoran, but he's not the only one, obviously, who talks about, let's just have universal childcare in New York.

It's not specifically targeting women, it's just childcare.

I would submit to you, and there's quite a bit of research on this point, unlike Sheryl Sandberg's stuff, that would have more of an impact on women

status of women than, you know, any number of book discussion circles from Sheryl Sandberg.