Anastasia Nicolazzi
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You know, I didn't grow up with brothers. I just had one. But it really sounds like what we read about so often. You know, there was that difficulty in that masculinity as they grew. But then that angst soon became a closeness that only brothers can share.
You know, I didn't grow up with brothers. I just had one. But it really sounds like what we read about so often. You know, there was that difficulty in that masculinity as they grew. But then that angst soon became a closeness that only brothers can share.
In April 2007, Anton was 19 years old, had just graduated high school. He went to Washington in Fremont, California, and his sights were set on soon heading off to Job Corps in Utah.
In April 2007, Anton was 19 years old, had just graduated high school. He went to Washington in Fremont, California, and his sights were set on soon heading off to Job Corps in Utah.
So, I mean, there was nothing I could do. And it was later that night that Deborah got a call.
So, I mean, there was nothing I could do. And it was later that night that Deborah got a call.
So you have police, investigators, onlookers, and they're all in front of this apartment complex that is just swarming. But the one person that wasn't amongst them was Antone. They wouldn't tell me anything.
So you have police, investigators, onlookers, and they're all in front of this apartment complex that is just swarming. But the one person that wasn't amongst them was Antone. They wouldn't tell me anything.
You know, in the way that Debra is describing this, we've talked about this almost out-of-body experience before here on AOM. And I even think some have used the exact same analogy.
You know, in the way that Debra is describing this, we've talked about this almost out-of-body experience before here on AOM. And I even think some have used the exact same analogy.
And in certain ways, I've always likened it to this fight or flight response. You know, you're there, it's happening, but your mind can't process it. So it really goes and is distracted by other things.
And in certain ways, I've always likened it to this fight or flight response. You know, you're there, it's happening, but your mind can't process it. So it really goes and is distracted by other things.
And so as Deborah and her boyfriend are at the precinct and answering every question that's being put to them, obviously in Deborah's mind, she is just clinging to that hope that her son, who's in the hospital, remember, is still alive.
And so as Deborah and her boyfriend are at the precinct and answering every question that's being put to them, obviously in Deborah's mind, she is just clinging to that hope that her son, who's in the hospital, remember, is still alive.
So Debra and her boyfriend make their way to the hospital as quickly as humanly possible. And when they get there, Debra knows right where to go because she actually worked at the hospital. So she not only knows the layout, but she knows kind of exactly what happens in a situation like this. But this time she's on the other side of the counter.
So Debra and her boyfriend make their way to the hospital as quickly as humanly possible. And when they get there, Debra knows right where to go because she actually worked at the hospital. So she not only knows the layout, but she knows kind of exactly what happens in a situation like this. But this time she's on the other side of the counter.
And the world that Deborah is facing from that moment on, you can really just describe it with one word. Dark. It is dark because her youngest has been taken by homicide. But on top of that, there's just this anger within her from being held back for those hours, answering questions by the detectives while her son was in the hospital, possibly dying.
And the world that Deborah is facing from that moment on, you can really just describe it with one word. Dark. It is dark because her youngest has been taken by homicide. But on top of that, there's just this anger within her from being held back for those hours, answering questions by the detectives while her son was in the hospital, possibly dying.
We've talked about the concept of victimology obviously many times before, but that's because that is so important in every investigation. And that's going to be clear here, too, because we're the place that a person's death and that person's life really intersect. That really provides a roadmap to investigators, whether they're trying to figure out motive or even find the killer.
We've talked about the concept of victimology obviously many times before, but that's because that is so important in every investigation. And that's going to be clear here, too, because we're the place that a person's death and that person's life really intersect. That really provides a roadmap to investigators, whether they're trying to figure out motive or even find the killer.