André Duqum

Do you want to speak a little bit more into that?

How that curiosity, it leaves the door open in a little bit of a sense where we're not so sure about what we make of the experiences.

That openness allows us to be able to work with it more closely and intimately.

Would you say that's the core mission of your work is just like that belief that change is possible?

How would you articulate your mission these days?

Yeah.

And as a clinician, your role in those settings is to really be able to effectively assess the state of one's mental health.

How would you articulate what

the constitution or components of a healthy self, like an individuated healthy self versus...

a self that's maybe less so healthy, what are the qualities that that person or that mind would imbibe?

Could you, like, zoom in on someone's personal experience?

So the assertion drive and the pleasure drive, what are those, for anybody who's listening right now, that they could identify a behavior in their life that are being stemmed from those two?

And then I want to examine the generative drive after.

This could be somebody asserting they want a certain thing for their life, just asserting themselves amongst their peers.

How else would that show up, that assertive drive in someone's life, practically speaking?

So now what sits on top of it, I mean, the way that you've articulated it, it sounds like these are the more benevolent aspects of human beings, the ones that drives us towards a sense of cohesiveness and coherence in life as fundamentally creative.

Mm-hmm.

Because again, it can, oftentimes when the self-reflective and examination towards self can go too far where it's like not taking into account the natural proclivities of how your intelligence wants to express itself and the, and the draw you have towards supporting community and, um, your creative endeavors in life externally.

So, uh,

Why is that such an important thing to focus on and is a big theme in your new work, in your new book, that you think is so underlooked and often needed right now?