André Duqum

Yeah.

It's just like a little bit.

It was humoring.

Yeah.

Um, but again, it's like if that need to feel like you're going to posture yourself as the most secure one is actually stemming from a place of insecurity.

Correct.

Yeah.

Where the one who's actually regulated is actually in training the space.

Yeah.

Which I think is important as we experience a time where there's so much more growth and transition happening.

It's like, whether it's our family, our businesses, the environments and rooms that we step into, can we be regulated in ourself so that we can actually be the most effective agents of change?

Yeah.

Yeah, the verbosity and the posturing and the signaling of...

Oftentimes those who get the most attention are usually the loudest, but the loudest should not be conflated with power.

Hitler really thought he was doing God's work.

You can look at all the dictators throughout history that have done what we would say is atrocities, and they thought they were doing God's work oftentimes.

And we're also most able to affect change when we're no longer under the separative kind of presumption that there's a good and a bad.

Yes.

That creates conflict and tension inherently, right?

if you were to have a conversation with Hitler in his moments of making a decision, and you were under the presumption that he's this horrible human who's about to do all these horrible things, you're not going to be able to communicate with him that actually meets him where he's at, which would actually potentially have some sort of influence.