Andrea Dunlop

You know, mileage may vary about how to accomplish that, but that is essentially a good faith, data-backed, science-informed conversation, whereas this is not.

This is a minimization and denial of how frequent child abuse happens.

And I've noticed, Randi...

in these pieces by people like Neary and Hexenbog that I have spent way too much of my One Precious Life thinking about, they really avoid for the most part talking about child sex abuse.

And I think there's a reason.

It's because people's reaction to that is so strong that they know they will not find the same sympathy and the same mileage

If you are talking about child abuse, pediatricians diagnosing child sex abuse, because we've had our sort of cultural revelation about that.

That is like reached a cultural acceptance that, you know, Munchausen by proxy certainly has not.

And I think it's really like abusive head trauma now is in a backslide from, you know, this again, it has a broad medical consensus, but you would not know that from science.

So I think they're really being choosy about which pieces they're pushing back on for a reason.

Yeah.

Despite the preventionists' claim that this series is solely about Dr. Jensen, it's forwarding the idea encapsulated in so many other stories that the real problem isn't underreporting of child abuse, but overzealous and crusading child abuse pediatricians.

And this idea is always presented without any data or evidence that it's actually happening, other than in this series, the existence of angry parents and the report of a county controller.

I wanted to just ask you about this notion of cowboy caps.

Do you think there's just, I mean, there's not very many caps in the country, right?

It's a small, and I'm sure it's going to be harder to build on that number given how they're being treated in the media.

And that's a problem I worry about.

But like, can you just respond to the cowboy cap defense, I suppose, because this is one I've seen come up a lot.

Yeah, and, you know, I think having talked to child abuse pediatricians and, you know, like Sally and others who, you know, have been engaged in this work for a long time, you know, they realized that this was work that they could do that a lot of other people just couldn't tolerate.

And certainly seeing children who've been beaten, sexually assaulted, you know, who've been tortured by Munchausen by proxy abuse, this is you're looking into something that happens too commonly in society that most people would much prefer to just live their lives and never have to think about.