Andrea Dunlop

So he's saying this mom was taking her child to the hospital.

So how could this be abuse?

Um, can you just kind of help us address, address the misunderstandings that this case worker appears to have about what Munchausen by proxy abuse is?

Well, it sounds like that happened and they took him off the case and he was mad about it.

And like, I just, as a journalist, I mean, as a journalist, this just wouldn't pass muster as an anecdote because you've got someone that can't remember any of the specifics of the case.

They're not presenting you with documentation.

Yeah.

And then there was one other anecdote that she, you know, this is again, I'm sort of including these because this is all she found in two years of reporting on this case or all she found that suited this narrative.

She certainly found many other things as we've had sort of evidence of, but.

So she said, I spoke with David Abramowitz.

Is that a name you recognize?

I guess he was the regional director of Department of Children and Families at the time.

She said he was responsible for all Northeast Florida, including Gainesville.

Will Dr. Jensen work?

He co-signs what caseworkers told us about the power imbalance and not being listened to.

Yeah, I mean, and I think I'm really struck by this, you know, by these episodes that, like, any person who'd been doing this work for this long, you would be able to go back and find...

you know, a defense attorney, a former caseworker, you know, like you're going to be able to find a couple of people that didn't like them or didn't.

I mean, it's like that to me is just not evidence of a bad doctor.

And I asked Sally Smith the same question and I wanted to put it to you because I don't want to get into, you know, I'm always trying to check for my

biases and my lens.