Andrea Dunlop

In her lawsuit, however, Amanda includes what appears to be a direct quote from the hospital, which says that an RN determined that, quote, mother has been consistent in her reporting that the two-year-old pulled the baby out of the bassinet.

A toddler pulling a baby out of its bassinet is more developmentally possible than a toddler throwing a baby out, but it's not the same story.

If the toddler pulled the baby out of the bassinet, why did Amanda find her toddler in the bassinet afterwards?

It just doesn't make any sense.

I wish Serial would let me know how they decided that this case was in a gray area, but sadly, they declined my invitation to speak about it.

They did make a gesture at hearing out the other side by publishing a roundtable discussion with a number of child abuse pediatricians on their paywalled newsletter, not on the podcast.

And I wanted to ask Randy what he thought of this attempt to balance Serial's reporting.

Yeah, and I think it's like there is this presentation where, you know, because people like Diane Neary and Mike Hickson-Bogg, I sense, this is my just editorializing, I think they know they won't be seen as credible if they just outright say, we don't think munchausen by proxy abuse exists, and we don't believe the science behind abusive head trauma, right?

So they really...

do this other sort of roundabout thing of just saying, well, these cases are so gray and how can we know?

And I'm like, but you can know.

And like, furthermore, as a journalist, you can know a lot about the case by doing a FOIA request.

It's like they act like the only way they could get to the bottom of it is if they could get Dr. Jensen on the record about the case.

Now, listen,

They could do that in some cases if they got the parents to sign a HIPAA release.

They refused to answer that question of whether or not any of these parents had signed HIPAA releases.

And furthermore, you know, half the time you look at these cases, because I've dug into a lot of these that have been covered in the media.

you look at these cases and they're like, sort of present this and they say, well, doctors disagreed about, you know, this diagnosis.

And then you look up the records, you know, the court records, and you find that the doctors who disagreed are one of these, you know, defense experts that is way outside the medical consensus on something like abusive head trauma, you know, and furthermore, like the story the parents are telling about how these injuries happened

happened don't make sense to anyone who's spent time with a human child, let alone, you know, a pediatrician of any kind.