Andrea Dunlop

She was feeding them.

She was changing their diaper.

Just was letting her have full unfettered access to them.

And yeah, I mean, that really messes with an investigation because then you don't have a clean separation test.

And one of the best practices is to separate the child and see, hey, do all these issues around...

feeding and symptoms that the mom is saying happen, do they all disappear when or get remarkably better really quickly when the mom is separated?

And if that's the case, then you have a pretty clear common denominator.

And also, if that's not the case, right?

I mean, I've interviewed many professionals who have a lot of experience with this, and they've talked about cases where there was a suspicion.

There was one bee worker who's a former psychiatric nurse who

One of her first cases was a case where a child was having this symptom where he was bleeding from his ears and he had a sibling that had died previously.

And so there were some red flags about abuse.

They separated him from the mom temporarily and the child's symptoms persist.

So right away, they knew that the mom was not the cause of it.

And he did turn out to be one of these rare cases where he had some rare genetic disorder that had killed his sibling.

And so that was a case where then they were very quickly reunited and that suspicion was gone.

Yeah, it absolutely is.

And I think one of the things that in getting to know adult survivors, you know, one of the things that has really become profoundly obvious to me is just the toll of the psychological damage.

Because when the person you're supposed to trust above all people in the world, I'm really close with my mom.

I still trust my mom.