Andrea Dunlop

I've spent two years trying to get, you know, get information to this journalist.

She willfully misrepresented this case and she willfully misrepresented

The the Kowalski case.

And when you are saying, you know, that's the thing is like, again, this is utterly separate from those arguments that are being made by people about systemic reform and how we can prevent child abuse and how we can, you know, make life better for families.

That those are such legitimate critiques.

And those people, by the way, are all willing to talk to me.

If you're just giving an abuser.

a platform to tell their story about how they were wronged by a doctor who they were not wronged by, and furthermore, in this case with Amanda Cernofsky, giving her a platform to continue to blame her two-year-old, who is now six or seven...

For separating their family because she allegedly tossed the baby out of the bassinet where I'm like, well, are you able to confirm that that's what happened?

How that is not enabling child abuse.

And I think the only people that this media coverage helps and this sort of this, you know, the laws, the second opinion laws, the doubting of cap, the only people that helps are.

Yeah, there's all kinds of people that question science now.

Right.

And it's like I think like what I what I'm really wanting people to understand is that this is an argument that is in league with anti-vaxxers, not abolitionists.

Like this is not this is not a system reform argument.

This is an anti-science argument.

Yeah, agreed.

Well, Randy, thank you so much for being with us.

It was really such a pleasure to get to have you on the show.

This is our last episode on The Preventionist, but it's not the last we have to say about all of this.