Andrea Dunlop

But unfortunately, this is something where people really want to sympathize with the perpetrator and think, oh, they didn't mean to do this or they're having a bad moment or they were in some kind of mental crisis.

And then what happens is they get a therapist and they go to a few sessions of therapy and they're like, well, OK, well, that's fixed.

And that's not an adequate intervention.

And.

It often also leaves a lot of room for perpetrators to get their own psychological evaluation and have someone come in and say, oh, no, they tested negative for Munchausen by proxy.

That's absolute nonsense.

It's not something that you can psychologically test for.

It is a pattern of abuse, and there either is evidence of that abuse or not.

The other big headline case, which ended up with a huge judgment in court on the civil side that just got overturned, the Kowalski case, you know, be out of Kowalski.

Had a psychologist.

Oh, was that the documentary?

The Take Care of Maya case.

So this is a case where there is unbelievably extensive evidence of abuse, very severe, very high probability that this would have ended up in a fatality, in my opinion, having read thousands of pages of court documentation.

and interviewed the doctor.

And they had a psychologist that came in and evaluated and said, oh, no, Bianca Kowalski does not have Munchausen by proxy.

And that's not something that you can get a psychological test for.

And unless someone is willing to fully account for their behavior and then be in recovery for the rest of their life,

That's not a treatable person.

So the vast majority of perpetrators are not going to be treatable.

And even if someone is in treatment, I tend to believe that there are certain lines that if you cross them with your behavior with children, you are no longer considered a safe person and you should not be around children anymore.