Andrea Dunlop

That would never happen in my neighborhood.

That would never be a mom that's on my PTA.

And the reality of what we know about this abuse now is that it absolutely could be, you know, your family member, you know, you're in your situation now.

You know, your mom did have a history of abuse and came from, you know, I think as you've really revealed, a family of some pretty significant dysfunction in her own right.

My sister didn't.

Hope Ybarra didn't.

There's many perpetrators that there are some perpetrators that come from abusive backgrounds.

There's some that don't.

It isn't this sort of like cyclical thing that it is in some other forms of abuse.

And so

You know, I think it's important to grapple with it.

And I think there are these pieces that really we have to kind of tease out when we're talking about it's not a single intervention.

There's the question of like, can this person be treated?

And I know you're going to have a conversation with Dr. Marie Sanders, who's a dear friend and

I think we were talking about also setting you up with Dr. Kathy Ayoub to maybe have a conversation for this show, which I think would be really helpful to you.

But, you know, yeah, it's like the treatment is very, very challenging with this.

Very challenging.

There's going to be the reality is there's going to be a very small number of perpetrators who are going to acknowledge their behavior.

And that's the first step for treatment.

So there is a treatment model.