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Andrea Dunlop

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Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

She also doesn't specify exactly when on Friday or Saturday she's talking about.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

Unfortunately, the sergeant doesn't ask her to clarify.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

In the far more detailed interviews she did with the lead detective and the prosecutor, she doesn't mention seeing Nolan walk or crawl.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

Here's what John said to the police about Saturday morning.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

So no mention of steps there.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

In her police interview, Danica recounts Nolan reaching up to her, but says nothing about him taking any steps.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

John insists that Nolan was walking after the original seizure on Friday and presents this as exculpatory evidence that he did not cause the fatal injury to Nolan.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

This is partly tied to the medical examiner's report, which we'll get into a lot more detail in our conversation with Dr. Vega.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

Larry never mentions Nolan walking or crawling, and by his account, he quote, never made it to the floor on Saturday.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

These steps, however they happened or whether they happened at all, may seem like a small detail, but child abuse medicine is very much about trying to reconcile the information provided from caretakers, the child's medical condition, and whatever other evidence you may have.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

And according to Dr. Steven Boos, an experienced child abuse pediatrician we consulted on this case, these two steps are crucial to putting the puzzle together.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

But to break this down, the reason these steps are so crucial is that they can tell us if the cervical spine injury observed at autopsy could have been an evolution of one injury, or whether it was necessarily a second, separate injury.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

The differences in Dr. Sally Smith and Dr. Russell Vega's reports were ultimately minor but important.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

Both doctors recognized the old and new rib fractures as signs of ongoing abuse.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

But when it came to the fatal injuries, Dr. Smith's opinion centered on one incident timeframe on Friday while John was alone with Nolan, opining that the injuries to Nolan's back, neck, and brain happened all at once and that the spinal cord injuries observed at autopsy were an evolution of those original injuries.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

and that the spinal cord injury was a herniation caused by brain swelling rather than a discrete injury.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

This is the phenomenon Dr. Boos is pointing out, and something that has been written about by medical examiners like Dr. Mary Case.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

Dr. Vega's report points to the fact that the spinal cord at the state of evolution that he observed would have led to quadriplegia and could have led to immediate death.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

His report notes that the child was injured at the time the photos and videos were taken, agreeing with Smith's report that some serious injuries had happened in that time frame, when only John was present.

Nobody Should Believe Me
S07 E03: Two Steps

But Vega's evaluation leaves space for the possibility of a second injury incident the next morning, right before 911 was called, when both Larry and John were present in the house.