Andrea Dunlop

Lisa, it sounds like had told staff, oh, she likes to be in there.

This is her happy place, sort of indicated that that was where her granddaughter felt safe.

So that's pretty compelling.

Honestly, like, and that we know of, right?

I mean, I think that's always the, you know, these things take so long to come to light often.

And they're so dramatic.

They usually take some extremely dramatic incident to come to light.

And I think, you know, this one, of course, makes me think of Lisa McDaniel.

It's a very similar timeline, very similar outcomes.

Um, fortunately, you know, this person has now been stopped.

Uh, that is kind of the big, big market difference, but it also reminds me of, um, uh, Benadryl poisoning.

Yeah.

The Jessica Jones case where, you know, again, same, you know, same weapon of choice with Benadryl and the, and, and I mean, fake seizure disorders, seizures, no one else sees, sees the seizures that end up, uh, you know, being able to be traced back to a medication like Benadryl ubiquitous in these cases.

So common.

And that was a case where even while she was being investigated for this, she managed to get access to and poison two additional children.

And it really is such a compulsive behavior.

And, you know, I think I'm feeling this way and I'm sure many listeners of this show, the idea of being given parenting classes as a remedy for munchausen by proxy abuse just makes me want to put my head through a wall.

Yeah, well, and I think we have a similar issue in the Lisa McDaniel case, which is that, like, yes, she has, you know, and more than a designation of abuse, she has a criminal conviction for very serious life-threatening, and there's been no investigation by law enforcement into Colin's death.

And, you know, even more urgently, she is living with a...

You know, a vulnerable adult and two vulnerable babies.