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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
True Story Media. Hello, it's Andrea. And today we have a familiar and always welcome voice, Detective Mike Weber, who is going to tell us about a case that has some really haunting parallels to our season six case. And not only because both perpetrators are named Lisa, though that is an odd detail. As many of you know, Detective Mike is my co-author on my nonfiction book, The Mother Next Door.
He is retired, but still very active, consulting on cases and doing trainings around the country. We always appreciate hearing from him. The team and I are currently hard at work on season seven. And before that, we've got some incredible Case Files episodes coming up, including a conversation with probably my most requested guest ever. Truly a big full circle moment for Nobody Should Believe Me.
We also have some exciting news to share, which is that Nobody Should Believe Me has been nominated for an Ambie Award for Best True Crime Podcast.
Chapter 2: What parallels exist between the Lisa Campbell Goins case and previous cases?
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In the meantime, I want it to be known that I do not support ice. I am the daughter of an immigrant. I stand with immigrants. Immigrants make this country great. Hi, Mike. Thank you so much for joining us yet again. You have a really interesting case to tell us about today. But for those listeners who have somehow not met you yet, can you tell us who you are and what you do?
Sure. My name is Mike Weber. I'm a retired but still a reserve police detective from Tarrant County Sheriff's Office in Fort Worth, Texas.
Fantastic. And you are a nationally renowned law enforcement expert on my husband by proxy cases. So today we're talking about a case that is a more recent case of yours that has some very strong parallels to the Lisa McDaniel case. We have two perpetrators called Lisa that we're talking about today.
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Chapter 3: Who is Lisa Campbell Goins and what is her background?
So that's pretty compelling.
And staff knew that was a lie. Yeah. And the nurses all knew that was a lie. And they would have testified to such. And so from that point, you know, we separate her at the hospital. I've got a lot of work to do. I'm not going to arrest her at that point. I go back and I start talking to her again, her family again. Her husband has a son that she came into his life about middle school age.
And she has done this to him, but with a psychological presentation, probably because he was a bit stronger willed. Well, he was older when she came in, so he had a baseline for medical health. But she would say that he had all these ADHD behaviors and get medication.
And I interviewed him and he always thought that she was doing it, you know, because she was a former drug addict and she did have drug convictions and that she was doing it as a pill seeker. He didn't get the connection to Munchausen by proxy. And then, you know, I started digging back into her history and I find a CPS report from 1999.
where she had actually done this to her own son, a different son than the one who has this child. And she had done this to her own son in 2000, 2001. And she had been ruled reason to believe by CPS. But of course, just like we saw with Lisa McDaniel, she's ordered to take parenting classes.
Okay, everyone out there, if you're CPS listening to this, parenting classes will have zero effect on this behavior. It is compulsive. It is intentional. They know what they're doing. They know what's wrong. They're not going to stop because they go to a parenting class. So, of course, now I want to talk to that dad. And so I hunt him down and get him on the phone.
And yeah, he tells me that she's never seen that child since she was reason to believe they weren't together when it happened. He got custody of the child, but the child is really, as an adult now at age 30, is really messed up and is in a state mental hospital, as you could imagine, for the abuse that he suffered.
And he told me it was the same thing, same thing she was doing with this victim, presenting seizure disorders and presenting gastric issues in that child. And then I would later, once she was arrested, I would come across, I would be contacted by a lady who was babysat by Lisa.
She was the same age as that child that she had previously offended against and babysit at the same time when she watched Lisa take a pill and mix it, you know, open up a capsule, mix it into the boy's food and tell her, don't tell anyone. And that was when she was eight years old. And the one thing I hope people get out, these offenders who do this, who induce symptoms, they do not stop.
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Chapter 4: What medical issues did the child in Lisa's care experience?
It's their job to read things. I know. If you don't like reading court documentation, you shouldn't be involved in the legal system. Anyway, you know, it was really the typical stuff, asking for lots of prayers, asking for money, talking about all of this mystery child. There was the intimation that she had Crohn's disease or they couldn't figure out what was wrong with her.
Lots of pictures of the child in medical settings. And just, you know, distressing stuff. And, again, I just really encourage everyone. You know, I think a good takeaway from this case, right, is, like, if you see something, say something. Absolutely.
If it does take someone walking into an ER and saying, hey, I'm worried this child's life is in danger because of what I've seen, then that's worth doing. And you never know if your report is going to be the first report or if it's the 11th or if it's one – small piece of the puzzle and it doesn't get acted on right away. Like it all still matters to an investigation like this, doesn't it?
Right. And for cops and CPS out there, you know, yeah, it's going to sound crazy. You know what? You investigate it until you can determine whether it's crazy or whether you are dealing with a crazy person or you're dealing with a series of crazy events that to you seem crazy, but are actually occurring.
Yeah, and what, I mean, just to, you know, we know about obviously the Benadryl. This child was subjected to a number of unnecessary surgeries, as we mentioned, you know, kind of the ones that we see a lot, the feeding tube, the TPN, all the nutrition stuff. What about medications? It looks like they had, she came in with a very lengthy list of pretty heavy-hitting medications.
And psych medications, too. Yeah, so clonidine, lorazepam, clonazepam, yeah, saraquil, baclofen.
Yeah, all of those. And amazingly, of course, she was even on methadone and had to be weaned off.
Now, was the argument for methadone because her biological mother was an addict?
I don't think so.
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Chapter 5: What led to the investigation into Lisa Campbell Goins?
Oh, and family members had also told me that from the time she was very little, like from the time Lisa first got her, she was giving her melatonin and Benadryl at a year old. And they didn't know there was anything wrong with it.
Yeah. So tell us about your interactions with Lisa herself.
You know, I only had two interactions with her. It was very clear she was not going to admit to anything. I had one interaction at the hospital, and then I interviewed her again when I went out and served a search warrant at her house. You know, we had tried to test the Mean Green through a presumptive test that kind of showed it may have had
And this rat poisoning in it, that presumptive test ended up being wrong. But at the time, it was enough for me to get a search warrant for our house. And of course, we did find rat poisoning in our house. But we sent the Mingreen off to the FBI lab and it did not it did not come back with rat poisoning in it. But I interviewed her out there and I served.
That's where I served to search one on her for her cell phone that she gave me. And she had recorded videos on her and showed me videos on her cell phone, probably from her Facebook account. And what did the videos show? You know, like she was trying to prove to me that the victim had symptoms and they were inconsequential.
So this is kind of like in the Sophie Harmon case where she's showing all these videos of the child having a quote episode. Episode, right. Right.
Yeah. And the child's just sitting there. And again, in those situations, you never even know if the child's drugged or not, you know. So, yeah. And, you know, we searched her house, didn't really find anything of consequence, which I really didn't expect to, other than the rat poisoning. And and then the cell phone.
And was rat poison one of the suspected substances?
Well, that was what tested in the presumptive in the main grain. What does presumptive mean? It's a test that the fire department had that could test for chemicals, that could test for certain things. But it's not a lab-approved test. It's not evidentiary at all. But it gave me enough probable cause to get a search warrant to see if she had any rat poison in her house.
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