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What “The Preventionist” Left Out with Dr. Randy Alexander

12 Dec 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, we close out our coverage of Serial’s The Preventionist with Dr. Randy Alexander, one of the most experienced child abuse pediatric...

How Do We Prevent Child Abuse? With Kathleen Strader

04 Dec 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This week we’re re-releasing Andrea’s conversation with Kathleen Strader from Prevent Child Abuse America. While Nobody Should Believe Me is, at i...

The Human Cost of “The Preventionist” with Dr. Sally Smith

27 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Dr. Sally Smith is back on the mic to share her reaction to the recent appellate ruling that overturned the massive judgment against ...

Introducing: Dakota Spotlight Season 12

21 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Meanwhile in Mankato: Lies, Silence & Murder in Minnesota In 1965, a teenager killed a gas-station clerk near Mankato and was sentenced to forty year...

Dr. Jessica Pryce on the Harms of the Child Welfare System

20 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In light of the overturned ruling of Kowalski v Johns Hopkins and Serial’s The Preventionist, we’re reairing an episode from our Kowalski season i...

“The Preventionist” Erases Munchausen by Proxy with Dr. Jim Hamilton

13 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In the second part of Andrea’s rebuttal to The Preventionist, Serial Productions’ podcast on child abuse pediatrician Dr. Debra Jenssen, she speak...

Kowalski v Johns Hopkins overturned with Ethen Shapiro

06 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Andrea sits down with Ethen Shapiro, trial counsel for Johns Hopkins All Children’s Hospital, to unpack the landmark appellate deci...

Case Files 25: Olivia Gant Part 2

31 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Andrea continues delving into the Olivia Gant case with Detective Melissa Kalish, who uncovered the vast fraud and abuse behind Kelly...

Abuse Survivors and Victims Deserve Better than 'The Preventionist'

29 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In response to Serial Productions’s series The Preventionist, we’re re-airing our episode “What’s Happening in Lehigh?”, where Andrea and Dr...

Case Files 25: Olivia Gant Part 1

23 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

The disturbing parallels between Collin McDaniel and Olivia Gant's cases led Andrea to speak with Melissa Kalish, the lead detective in the investigat...

Introducing: Affirmative Murder

17 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This week Fran and Alvin discuss food, Pakistan, and American history. *** Listen to Affirmative Murder: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/340-e...

Answering Your Season 6 Questions

16 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Andrea and the Nobody Should Believe Me team reflect on the emotional impact of making season 6 and the ethical considerations of rep...

Introducing: Fruitloops

10 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Two cousins. Four murders. One homicidal summer. In 2004, Angel Ford-Wright & Caroline Peoples lured victims with false promises, then executed them. ...

True Story Media Presents: Fruitloops

09 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to the final installment of True Story Media Presents! This week Andrea is talking to Wendy and Beth, the creators behind Fruitloops: Serial K...

Introducing: PRETEND

03 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

LaDonna Humphrey. Remember that name because she is central to this story. I've tried to sum up this tale quickly, but every time I attempt an elevato...

True Story Media Presents: PRETEND

02 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In the third installment of True Story Media Presents, Andrea sits down with Javier Leiva—host and creator of PRETEND. The two talk about how they f...

Introducing: Dakota Spotlight

26 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

September 1998 brought a chilling moment in Bismarck, North Dakota, when 17-year-old Aimee walked into the police station. She suspected her boyfriend...

True Story Media Presents: Dakota Spotlight

25 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this special crossover, Andrea talks with James Wolner, creator of Dakota Spotlight—another show in her True Story Media network—about how a ru...

True Story Media Presents: Affirmative Murder

18 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’re kicking off our new series introducing the shows of True Story Media, Andrea’s ethical true crime network. In this conversation, Andrea sits...

S06 E10: Ripple Effects

11 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This week, we hear more from Mishelle about the impact of The Guthy Jackson Foundation’s response to the revelations about Lisa McDaniel is having o...

S06 E09: Fallout

05 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

As the story of the McDaniel family continues to send shockwaves through the communities Lisa was involved with, we check in with Mishelle about what ...

Case Files 24: Women Who Lead Double Lives with Sarah Treleaven

28 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today we have a very special crossover episode with journalist and host/producer of The Con: Katilyn’s Baby, Sarah Treleaven. Sarah and Andrea recou...

Case Files 23: Mike Weber Retirement Special

21 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to the Mike Weber Retirement Special! Mike gives us a brief glimpse into what he’s been up to since retirement and talks to Andrea about his...

NSBM After Hours: Anatomy of Lies Part 1

15 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We're unlocking an episode from the subscriber feed. Enjoy! *** This is the first part of Andrea and Dr. Bex’s coverage of the Peacock documentary...

Introducing: Betrayal Season 4

14 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

S4: EP 1 — One of the Good Ones Karoline built her life around her husband's career as a Colorado Springs police officer. The family was proud of h...

S06 E08: May He Rest

07 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In our season finale, Andrea comes face-to-face with Lisa McDaniel, the woman at the center of this story when she arrives on her doorstep with televi...

S06 E07: Cleaning Out the Basement

31 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Mishelle recounts how she and her sister, Angellyn, stumbled upon their past medical and court records while helping Lisa and Carey move. This discove...

S06 E06: Dr. Ness

24 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

On this week’s episode, we hear Mishelle’s phone call with Dr. Jayne Ness, Collin’s treating physician, who shares concerning insights into Coll...

S06 E05: “But she’s my mama”

17 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

As Lisa escalates Collin’s medication regimen and pushing for risky experimental treatments, we examine the gulf between Lisa’s reports of Collin’...

S06 E04: The Caretaker

10 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Mishelle describes her brother Collin as a vibrant little boy who loved to joke around and make people laugh. All of that changed, seemingly overnight...

S06 E03: “Open, Reliable, and Trustworthy”

03 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We begin this week’s episode with a young Mishelle struggling to adjust to life with her grandparents, finding it difficult to accept both the separ...

S06 E02: “How Could Someone Do That to a Child?”

26 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Lisa’s second child, Angellyn, was born prematurely and in a medically fragile state. Mishelle and her aunt Sabrina recount a troubling pattern: jus...

S06 E01: The Advocate

19 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This season on Nobody Should Believe Me, we tell the story of Lisa McDaniel, who crafted a public image as the Director of Patient Advocacy at the Gut...

Introducing: Deep Cover: The Truth About Sarah

17 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Deep Cover is a true crime podcast about people who lead double lives, from our friends at Pushkin Industries. The new season, The Truth About Sarah, ...

Case Files 22: Rady Children’s Part 6

12 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This week on Nobody Should Believe Me, Andrea and Dr. Bex dive further into the allegations against Dr. Paolo Bolognese, discussing the whistleblower ...

Season 6 Trailer

06 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Season 6 of Nobody Should Believe Me–out weekly starting June 19, available in full for subscribers at launch– covers the extraordinary and tragic...

Case Files 21: Rady Children’s Part 5

05 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This week, Andrea and Dr. Bex dive into the controversial Dr. Paolo Bolognese, a neurosurgeon with a significant number of malpractice lawsuits and ex...

Case Files 20: Rady Children’s Part 4 with Dr. Mary Sanders

29 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In the 4th part of our Case Files series on Rady Children’s, Andrea and Dr. Mary Sanders from Stanford University deep dive into the emotional and l...

Introducing: Get the Money and Run - Trailer

27 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

“Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Joe was one of Califor...

Introducing: At Liberty

22 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Seventeen. That’s the number of states suing the US government to end federal protections for disabled individuals. 880 billion. That’s the amount...

Case Files 19: Rady Children's Part 3

15 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We left off in the previous episode with Madison Meyer being returned to her parents after more than a year in state custody—yet still hospitalized ...

S03 Ep07 RERUN: Trial of the Century

09 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We're rereleasing an episode from our original coverage of the Kowalski case that was published on 11/7/2023. *** With a verdict in the case days aw...

Case Files 18: Rady Children’s Part 2

01 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In part two of our series on the lawsuit against Rady Children’s Hospital in San Diego, Andrea and Dr. Bex continue unpacking the story of Madison M...

Case Files 17: Rady Children’s Part 1

24 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In the first part of our four part Case Files series diving into the upcoming lawsuit against Rady Children’s in San Diego, Andrea and Dr. Bex start...

Case Files 16: Mom and Dad

17 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In season 5, we shared a bit of Andrea’s conversation with her parents, and we’re releasing even more in this episode of case files. If you’ve b...

Case Files 15: Everyday Cults with Rachel Bernstein

10 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this week’s episode of Case Files, we’re joined by Rachel Bernstein, a therapist specializing in cults and the host of the podcast IndoctriNati...

Introducing: Truer Crime

04 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

A student at the University of Utah, Lauren McCluskey began receiving threatening messages from her ex-boyfriend in the fall of 2018. For nearly three...

Case Files 14: Susan Smith and the Impact of False Accusations with Celisia Stanton

03 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Andrea is joined by Celisia Stanton, the host and creator of Truer Crime. Andrea and Celisia dive into the Susan Smith case, a story ...

Introducing: Betrayal Weekly

28 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We're sharing an episode of another podcast we love, Betrayal Weekly. In this episode, we meet "Kelsey." Her relationship is put to the test when he...

Case Files 13: The Andreas of Ethical True Crime with Andrea Gunning

27 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This week, our Andrea is joined by Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal and There and Gone: South Street. Gunning speaks on her transition fro...

Case Files 12: Talking Shop with Brittani Ard

21 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We have a very special bonus episode for you all! Andrea is joined by Brittani Ard, the host and creator of the breakout show, You Probably Think This...

Introducing: Our Ancestors Were Messy

21 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Our Ancestors Were Messy, is a show about the ancestors and all their drama. On each episode, host Nichole Hill and her guests unpack the ancestors’...

Answering Your Season 5 Questions

20 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to our Season 5 Mailbag Episode! This time we’re joined by more of our fabulous Nobody Should Believe Me team: head producer Myrriah Gossett...

Case Files 11: New Media Journalism and Death Eaters with V Spehar

13 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We have a very fun guest on NSBM Case Files this week: V Spehar aka Under the Desk News! In this engaging conversation, V and Andrea discuss the whirl...

Season 5 Breakdown with Detective Mike Weber

06 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

To officially wrap up season 5, we’ve brought in our friend, Detective Mike Weber, to discuss his thoughts on the police investigation into Sophie H...

Introducing: THE DEADLY SEVEN with Ashley Willcott

28 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Host Ashley Willcott is known as a tv anchor, a former judge, and a trial lawyer, and nearly all of the cases she's covered over the years intersect w...

S05 E09: Out of the Shadows

27 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Episode 8 was originally our season finale, but a source we’d been speaking to for months bravely decided to go on the record. This is Andrea’s co...

S05 Ep08: They Saw You

20 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In our season finale, we see Sophie Hartman follow in the footsteps of the Kowalski family, Andrea’s sister Megan Carter and others, as she files a ...

Introducing: There and Gone

19 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

There and Gone: South Street covers the case of Richard Petrone and Danielle Imbo. Richard and Danielle were last seen leaving a bar in Philadelphia o...

S05 Ep07: Who is This Bad Soul?

13 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We examine perhaps the most important piece of the complex puzzle of the Hartman case: what Sophie wrote about it in her journals.  We’re joined b...

S05 Ep06: Human Timebomb

06 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Sophie insists to police and others that the real problem isn’t that she’s abusing her daughter but that Seattle Children’s–a world class pedi...

The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy

04 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

It's pub day!! The Mother Next Door is officially out in the world. Thank you to everyone for all of your support! For our amazing podcast listeners, ...

S05 Ep05: The Breaking Point

30 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In 2020, the Hartmans grow even more isolated as Covid hits: Sophie pulls C out of school citing worsening health and breaks with the church community...

S05 Ep04: When the Cameras are On

23 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

From corporate sponsorships to fundraisers large and small, Sophie Hartman was an expert at raising money for C’s various medical devices, mobility ...

Introducing: PRETEND

20 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

From cult leaders to con artists and undercover FBI agents, PRETEND exposes those pretending to be someone they're not. *** LaDonna Humphrey, a respe...

S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis

16 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Immediately after moving with C and M from Zambia to Seattle, WA, Sophie starts bringing C to various doctors, reporting severe health issues. Just th...

S05 Ep02: Spiritual Warfare

09 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In the second episode of season 5, Andrea dives into how Sophie’s Evangelical Christian beliefs colored her worldview. From claiming that adopting a...

S05 Ep01: Sophie Saves Zambia

02 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We begin the season by delving into Sophie Hartman’s 2016 memoir about her time in Zambia, Crowns of Beauty, where we learn about how a young woman...

Case Files 10: The Psychology of Perpetrators with Dr. Cathy Ayoub

26 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In this last bonus episode before our season 5 premiere next week, we’re airing Andrea’s conversation with Dr. Catherine Ayoub, an associate profe...

Season 5 Trailer

20 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Season five of Nobody Should Believe Me tells the story of Sophie Hartman: a young, white midwestern evangelical missionary who travels to Zambia and ...

Case Files 09: Jesika Jones Part 4 with Detective Mike Weber

19 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In the final part of our miniseries covering the Jesika Jones case, Andrea is once again joined by Detective Mike Weber, who shares the series of even...

Case Files 08: Jesika Jones Part 3 with Derek Jones

12 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome back to the 3rd installment of our 4-part series on the Jesika Jones case. In this episode, Andrea is wrapping up her conversation with Derek ...

Case Files 07: Jesika Jones Part 2 with Derek Jones

05 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In the second episode of Andrea’s coverage of the Jesika Jones case, she’s joined by Derek Jones, Jesika’s then-husband. Derek bravely tells the...

You Probably Think This Story's About You | Season 2 Trailer

03 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Brittani Ard returns to the tangled web of memories, wounds, and connections that shape our lives. After sharing her own story in the first 8 chapters...

Case Files 06: Jesika Jones Part 1 with Detective Mike Weber

27 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

This week on case files, Andrea is joined by Detective Mike Weber, a crimes against children investigator and long-time friend/contributor to the show...

Introducing: You Probably Think This Story's About You

25 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Chapter 1: It Started as a Love Story  When Brittani Ard matches with Kanon* on Hinge sparks fly. Their first date revealed an instant connection a...

Revisiting Season 3: Shelter

21 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

While the Nobody Should Believe Me team is hard at work on season 5, we’re revisiting the first episode of our third season, which covered the Kowal...

Exploring the Disturbing World of Mitoaction.org

14 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Andrea and Dr. Bex discuss mitochondrial disorders, which Dr. Bex has seen first-hand in her pediatric patients, and their connection...

On Combatting Hopelessness

08 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In the wake of this week's election results, Andrea shares a minisode with her thoughts on committing yourself to a fight that feels impossible.  W...

Case Files 05: Justina Pelletier Part 4

07 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Dr. Bex joins Andrea for the final installment of our Justina Pelletier miniseries. They pick up by giving an overview of the court case, and the eeri...

Case Files 04: Justina Pelletier Part 3 with Beau Berman

31 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In part 3 of our Justina Pelletier mini-series, Andrea and Beau pick up where part 2 left off, with the topic of mitoaction.org. They then get into th...

Case Files 03: Justina Pelletier Part 2 with Beau Berman

24 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this show we talk a lot about how Munchausen by Proxy cases are covered in the media, and today we’re getting the inside scoop from the reporter ...

Case Files 02: Justina Pelletier Part 1

17 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Case Files is back with the first episode of a multi-part series on the Justina Pelletier case. Andrea and Dr. Bex covered this case in the subscriber...

Case Files 01: Kowalski, Ketamine, and Matthew Perry

10 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to the first episode of Case Files, our new series for episodes between seasons! Andrea, either solo or joined by guests, will be taking liste...

Answering Your Season 4 Questions with Producer Myrriah

03 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to our Season 4 Mailbag Episode! We’re so excited to officially introduce our fabulous producer Myrriah Gossett, who works tirelessly behind...

BONUS: Unabridged Interview with Carly Ostler

26 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this week’s unabridged interview from season 4, Andrea chats with trauma therapist Carly Ostler. The two of them dive into what complex trauma is...

BONUS: Unabridged Interview with Jade Miller

19 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

This week, we are bringing you our full interview with Jade Miller, founder of Peer Support for Multiples and a multiple herself. This incredibly info...

BONUS: Unabridged Interview with Jackie Rodriguez

12 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We are working hard on season 5 of Nobody Should Believe Me, but in the meantime, we’re bringing you a series of unabridged interviews from the expe...

BONUS: Unabridged Interview with Bea Yorker

05 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Law professor, nurse, and president of Munchausen Support, Bea Yorker, shares what first got her interested in working with Munchausen by proxy cases,...

S04 Ep10: No One is Coming to Save Us

22 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In our season four finale, we talk about what justice looks like for survivors of abuse and how to recover from the loss of an abusive parent. We exam...

S04 Ep09: Cleaning Up The Mess

15 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In the aftermath of Donna’s death, Jo returns home to Hutchinson to plan their mother’s funeral and clean up her mess one final time. As Jo and th...

S04 Ep08: The Long Goodbye

08 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Just as Jo has made huge personal strides in the spring of 2023, Donna slides into a coma and Jo returns to Hutchinson to say what they will believe t...

S04 Ep07: The Body is a Battlefield

01 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Jo starts to make big strides within their personal life. From building community and finding friends, to finally being able to take care of themselve...

S04 Ep06: “I love you to death”

25 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

When Jo begins sharing their experiences online, they get a request from the producers of nationally broadcast television show “The Doctors” to te...

S04 Ep05: Revelations

18 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today we look back at Jo’s revelation in their twenties that they’d been a victim of Munchausen by proxy abuse: a moment that turned their world u...

S04 Ep04: Breaking Free

11 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Jo reconnects with their friend, Kristin, who took them in as a homeless teenager after Jo was removed from Donna’s care due to her alcoholism. As a...

S04 Ep03: Not Without My Daughter

04 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

As we dig deeper into Jo’s history, we tackle one of the many confusing aspects of their childhood: their paternity. We navigate the many twists and...

A Ride-along with The Dating Detectives

01 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In this very special crossover episode with our friends at The Dating Detectives, Andrea joins private eye Mackenzie Fultz and comedian Hannah Anderso...

S04 Ep02: “I Brought You Into This World I Can Take You Out”

27 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

While visiting their hometown, Jo reconnects with their older sister, Crystal, to have the deeply honest and heart-wrenching conversation their mother...

S04 Ep01: Welcome To Hutchinson

20 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to Season 4 of Nobody Should Believe Me! This season we are following the story of Jordyn Hope as they unravel the secrets of their childhood....

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