S05 Ep02: Spiritual Warfare

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What are the themes of spiritual warfare discussed?

Andrea Dunlop 0:04
True Story Media. Before we begin, a quick warning that in this show, we discuss child abuse, and this content may be difficult for some listeners. If you or anyone you know is a victim or survivor of medical child abuse, please go to munchausensupport.com to connect with professionals who can help. Media stories about Munchausen by proxy often only scratch the surface of the complicated tangle of deceptions and manipulations that underpin them. And the media coverage of the Hartman case is no exception. These stories tend to get fixated on details like the number of times the kid was taken to the doctor or the gruesome surgeries that they endured, possibly under false pretenses. And in doing so, they really miss the central question. Why did this happen? You either have to determine why a mother would ever do the unthinkable things she's being accused of, or if she didn't do those things, why doctors and others would conspire against her to say that she did. When attempting to unravel a story like Sophie Hartman's, it can be hard to know just how far back to go.
Andrea Dunlop 1:12
I remember this feeling in the years after I became estranged from my sister, Megan, following the first investigation into her for medical child abuse almost 14 years ago now. It was impossible to know where to begin, because it wasn't just that Megan lied about her son's medical issues or that she lied about her own. The more those of us who loved her started to pull on the threads, the more the entire fabric of who I thought I knew just came completely undone. Megan lied about finances, about work, and just about all these little incidental things. It was really everything everywhere all at once. And what I've learned in the years that I've been covering these cases is that it's always like this.
Andrea Dunlop 1:52
Perpetrators lie about everything. And being around one of them just leaves you constantly on your back foot. As these cases play out in court, they often become hyperfixated on a single piece of the puzzle. Perhaps an event that was captured on video surveillance. Or they go on a fool's errand to prove or disprove a single rare diagnosis. And in doing so, they completely miss the forest for the trees. Because the lying isn't just a feature of this abuse, it is the abuse. There may be physical abuse or poisoning as well, but the deception is always the primary weapon. And while there are many mysteries around what really happened with Sophie Hartman, one thing we can be sure of is that she is an unreliable narrator of her own story.
Andrea Dunlop 2:37
We know this because she tells us so in the pages of her very own journal, entries of which were included in the case files. She writes, When it comes to suffering, I am a compulsive liar. As we covered last time, much of Sophie's memoir sounds implausible on its face.

How does Sophie's faith influence her actions?

Andrea Dunlop 2:58
But just because this book is not a truthful representation of Zambia, or even of Sophie's time there, it doesn't mean that it's not extraordinarily telling. Munchausen by proxy cases typically begin while the mother is pregnant. This pattern, as we've talked about in previous seasons, usually begins with obstetrical complications, followed by a preterm birth. And as I've said before, I strongly believe that this is no coincidence. But for Sophie, there was no pregnancy. According to sources we've spoken to on background, there was never even a serious partner in the mix. This is a notable piece in this case. So Sophie's less conventional path to motherhood is interesting, and it's one that she positions as ordained by God.
Andrea Dunlop 3:40
Many women dream of becoming mothers, but Sophie, again in her own words, had a very specific vision of motherhood in mind.
Erin Ajayi 3:48
I kind of had made a commitment that I was going to adopt a child who no one was waiting in line for. I remember saying, like, give me a child who's blind or with severe cerebral palsy.
Andrea Dunlop 4:02
People believe their eyes. That's something that is so central to this topic because we do believe the people that we love when they're telling us something. If we didn't, you could never make it through your day. I'm Andrea Dunlop, and this is Nobody Should Believe Me.

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