Andrea Dunlop

To their own children.

And, like, you know, I don't care particularly whether or not they're punished.

I want the people around them to be safe.

Yes.

I want them to no longer be able to harm others.

other people.

But especially knowing the sort of what I do about what those people are like, I'm like, there's not going to be a lesson learned like ever.

So, you know, what is the point would be, you know, and we've even this is from talking to survivors who have

very complicated feelings about their parents.

And some of them really hate their parents and want nothing to do with them.

And then some of them really love their parents and can't have relationship with them, but don't want their parents to be, you know, in pain and don't want their parents to be ostracized.

They just, you know, so it's like, I think that's really opened my eyes.

Like, it's just like, it's complicated.

And like, there is no, yeah, there is no neat bow to tie things on.

No.

Yeah.

Well, and I think it's, it's funny.

It's like a mark of the time that's passed right between now and like in the mid 2010s of like,

I think I think most people would like sort of the idea that a person on the Internet is not who they say they are is sort of like so normalized now that you're like, you know, if like somebody is getting if some like, you know, middle aged schlub guy is getting like a lot of messages from like a super hot lady in Ukraine, you're like.

dude, my dude, you know, that's not a real lady.