Andrea

I mean, you're going to believe the adults in the room.

there's going to be a level of urgency.

There's going to be a level of fear.

Like what if my friend is, you know, locked up and nobody comes to help him and I'm the only one who can save him.

And this guy's offering me an opportunity to do that.

I can totally see my 18 year old self making the same decisions.

Well, this was especially tough because everybody connected to the victims in this story.

I mean, we have to remember this all happened in 1966 to full grown adults.

So many of the people connected to the victims and I'm talking about like their grandchildren are deceased now.

I think something that was very helpful for me in this process was

I had somebody on my team who had experienced being a victim of

a family member being murdered and I was able to lean on her for, okay, what would you want to, you know, if you're listening to this, what feels most sensitive, what feels, you know, really checking in that I'm not missing something.

And I think for me, holding space for both of those things was really taking time in the writing process and having asides and the scripts where

we kind of zoom out and look at just bigger picture without assigning guilt or innocence to anyone, who these people could have been by now, or reminding our listeners that, you know, these were real people this happened to, and this is...

the time they lost and kind of reflecting on what it must be like to have your life kind of diluted to what ended it right i mean that that's kind of all the information that's out on these people is is sad yeah yeah they they just become a name on in a newspaper article and

There are a lot of mini betrayals along the way here.

So many.

I mean, I totally agree.

And I think in this case in particular, for two of the states where these crimes took place, they were not able... I mean, one of them, they didn't even bring about charges because they couldn't tell where she was within relation to the crime.

The second state, it was a hung jury twice.