Andrea

That's what I've always wondered. And we had a lot of people write in about that. When you went back to your hotel room each night, you were replaying that testimony or were you just so completely wiped that you were like, I need to rest because they're knocking on my door at 6 a.m.?

That's what I've always wondered. And we had a lot of people write in about that. When you went back to your hotel room each night, you were replaying that testimony or were you just so completely wiped that you were like, I need to rest because they're knocking on my door at 6 a.m.?

Yeah, I can't imagine that makes sense. And I know you've said before, but it was hard not to look at Jason during those days. Did you and Jason ever make eye contact?

Yeah, I can't imagine that makes sense. And I know you've said before, but it was hard not to look at Jason during those days. Did you and Jason ever make eye contact?

Wow. That had to feel intense. Yeah. It was weird. Just the idea of like knowing you're sitting in the same room as someone who's admitted to murdering someone. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's that moment you talk about in the podcast where the medical examiner, Dr. Coswell, was on the stand. There were really graphic photos being shown and you noticed Jason was looking down. Right.

Wow. That had to feel intense. Yeah. It was weird. Just the idea of like knowing you're sitting in the same room as someone who's admitted to murdering someone. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's that moment you talk about in the podcast where the medical examiner, Dr. Coswell, was on the stand. There were really graphic photos being shown and you noticed Jason was looking down. Right.

But then you realize something else. Can you share more about that?

But then you realize something else. Can you share more about that?

That is crazy to realize that. Right. From the live stream when I was watching the trial, you could only see that his head was down. I didn't realize there were monitors. So I thought that maybe his defense had said, you know, make it look this way. Yeah. Convenient. Right. Yeah, that's the thing most people don't realize is being on a jury. It's not just facts and timelines and things like that.

That is crazy to realize that. Right. From the live stream when I was watching the trial, you could only see that his head was down. I didn't realize there were monitors. So I thought that maybe his defense had said, you know, make it look this way. Yeah. Convenient. Right. Yeah, that's the thing most people don't realize is being on a jury. It's not just facts and timelines and things like that.

It's about human behavior. I mean, right. Yeah. Obviously, you want to make decisions based on the evidence. But, you know, things like that, noticing the eye contact, the body language, you had to kind of keep track of all of it.

It's about human behavior. I mean, right. Yeah. Obviously, you want to make decisions based on the evidence. But, you know, things like that, noticing the eye contact, the body language, you had to kind of keep track of all of it.

Yeah. And I think you did. I think we did, too. You know, talking about Jason and how he interacted with those crime scene photos in the courtroom leads us into something we've been sitting with for a while. And honestly, it's haunted both of us since we learned about it.

Yeah. And I think you did. I think we did, too. You know, talking about Jason and how he interacted with those crime scene photos in the courtroom leads us into something we've been sitting with for a while. And honestly, it's haunted both of us since we learned about it.

I mean, that's crazy if that's true.

I mean, that's crazy if that's true.

And we want to be clear, this is speculation, but when we found out about this art piece, it was so hard to not make that connection. Right. And it wasn't a part of the trial, and we're not saying it proves anything, but it is one of those details that just feels too strange to ignore.

And we want to be clear, this is speculation, but when we found out about this art piece, it was so hard to not make that connection. Right. And it wasn't a part of the trial, and we're not saying it proves anything, but it is one of those details that just feels too strange to ignore.

Which is why we're so grateful to have the chance to sit down with the two people who know this case inside and out. District Attorneys General Cody Womp and Paul Moyle. Yep.

Which is why we're so grateful to have the chance to sit down with the two people who know this case inside and out. District Attorneys General Cody Womp and Paul Moyle. Yep.