Andrej Karpathy

I guess you can base it a little bit on how long something has existed or how long it feels like something has been bottlenecked.

So Nicolain is very good about describing this, like, very apparent bottleneck in bacteria and archaea.

For two billion years, nothing happened.

Like, extreme diversity of chemical, of biochemistry, and yet nothing that grows to become animals.

Two billion years.

I don't know that we've seen exactly that kind of an equivalent with animals and intelligence to your point, right?

But I guess maybe we could also look at it with respect to how many times we think evolution or intelligence has like individually sprung up.

That's a really good thing to investigate.

Maybe one thought on that is, I almost feel like, well, there's the hominid intelligence.

And there's, I would say, like the bird intelligence, right?

Like ravens, et cetera, are extremely clever.

But their brain parts are actually quite distinct, and we don't have that much existence.

So maybe that's a slight event of, there's a slight indication of maybe intelligence springing up a few times.

And so in that case, you'd maybe expect it more frequently or something.

Yeah, and just stuff to work with.

I mean, I'm guessing it would be harder to, if I was a dolphin, I mean, how do you do, you can't have fire, for example, and stuff like that.

I mean, probably like the universe of things you can do in water, like inside water, is probably lower than what you can do on land.

just chemically.

Yeah, I do agree with this viewpoint of these niches and what's being incentivized.

I still find it kind of miraculous that I don't, I would have maybe expected things to get stuck on like animals with bigger muscles, you know?