Andrew East

But there was a lot of conflict and it is confusing.

You're like, okay, what's the right way to progress here?

I want to be a good husband.

I don't know what that means though.

I want to like...

I want to share my perspective while also respecting hers and that the marriage of the two styles and perspectives is a really difficult process.

We're still in the midst of it, by the way.

Every phase, every new child, there's always something changing.

But it was really fun to just say, hey, actually, none of us need to be in control.

We're a team.

And you have some beautiful things that you bring to the table and beautiful styles that we should incorporate.

And so do I. And then let's just like, we'll just do a little dance with it all, you know?

We'll figure it out.

I think Sean was right.

Yeah.

First of all, if you're listening to this and you have not read Jefferson's book called The Next Conversation, it's so good.

Thanks, man.

And I'm so grateful to have read it.

I learned so much in that.

One of the things, a concept in there that a mentor of ours shared years ago was,