Andrew Gallimore

Had he had any experiences?

I very much doubt.

He was a prominent neuroscientist.

It's a lot weirder than you think.

Yeah.

I think it's a lot weirder than Terrence McKenna always used to say, you know, stranger than you can suppose.

And suppose.

I think with, you know, we live in a very

If you look at the development of an intelligent civilization over hundreds of thousands of years, we live in this thin sliver, this kind of technological phase.

And once you enter that phase that we're in now, the computer age, the information age or whatever it is, you're probably only a few hundred years away from evolution.

departing for the stars or something like this, or even completely transcending our biology.

And this isn't a crazy idea anymore.

Many sensible astrobiologists and other intelligence theorists think, yes, probably what's going to happen in the next few hundred years is that we will become post-biological.

And so if you think about the universe more broadly...

if we're looking for aliens, quote unquote aliens, as being kind of wet-brained, wet-bodied biological beings, we're probably only looking for a tiny fraction of the intelligence in the cosmos.

And the vast majority of intelligence in the cosmos is likely to be post-biological, to have completely dispensed with the biological form.

Now, what's interesting about that, Jamie, sorry, there's an

You've heard of the Kardashev scale, right?

What is it?

So the Kardashev scale was generated by a guy called Kardashev.