Andrew Gallimore

He was a Soviet guy.

And he kind of theorized of as intelligences progress and develop, they go through a number of phases.

So you have a type zero.

Okay, I have heard of the scale.

Yeah, you've got it, right?

So we're kind of a type zero.

Zero, level one on the Kardashev scale.

And level two, sorry, we're level zero.

So level one would be when we, for example, are able to harness all of the energy from our neighboring star.

Then the next level when we can harness all the energy from the galaxy, etc.

So it's an expansionist way of thinking about it.

The idea of climbing the Kardashev scale.

There we go, you see.

Yeah.

But in the 1990s, a British cosmologist called John Barrow, he said, actually, if you actually look at how an intelligent civilization such as ourselves, the only one we know, we actually spend a lot more time going back

Not to larger and larger scales, but smaller and smaller scales, right?

We go down to, you know, doing chemistry, the Large Hadron Collider.

We're looking at the structure of atoms and the structure of subatomic particles and that kind of thing.

We're actually spending more time and more energy and more money going deeper and deeper.

Now, the reason that's significant is because...