Andrew Gallimore

other living beings like us, but you're interacting with what seems to be thoroughly alien intelligences.

And that could be what's where we're heading.

I don't know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Whether we're going to merge with this superintelligence in some way and that's our ultimate destiny or whether it's simply going to destroy us and we're just going to be lost.

We're basically – we're kind of like the tools that the intelligence uses to create new versions of superintelligence.

Yeah, and I think that eventually it will discover or learn how to instantiate itself without requiring this massive... I mean, obviously, as you said, the brain is able to perform massive parallel computations, obviously, with very little energy.

And so eventually this artificial intelligence will...

discover the means of instantiating itself without requiring that.

And I think that's where we start looking downwards.

That's where we start looking deep down at the lowest levels.

That's where it's going.

It's going to slide.

Yeah, I think, are you familiar with John Mack?

And I think, you know, when we talk about aliens, how you're kind of describing it, this is, I think, how most people actually think about aliens is, as I said, as these beings that are very much physical and the abduction phenomenon that

John Mack, of course.

I mean, John Mack was, as you might be aware, I mean, he was the top of his game.

This guy was the head of the Harvard School of Psychiatry or something like this.

So when he first heard about people being abducted, I mean, he assumed that they were just...

Carl Sagan famously told Mack that abductees were just hallucinating.

And John Mack said, you know, what the fuck do you know about hallucinations?