Andrew Gallimore

We might describe them as, you know, non-human intelligence or discarnate entities or intelligent agents or post-biological aliens.

It doesn't matter what we call them.

I think it's the same phenomenon.

And we've spent our lives, kind of the entire history of human development, this phenomenon has been occurring.

And in the Amazon rainforest, they develop these phenomena.

tools, these technologies.

Ayahuasca is a technology.

It's not just a mixture of plants.

It is a true pharmacological technology that they use, too, as kind of visual prostheses, as one anthropologist calls it, that allows them to see and interact with and develop

long-term relationships, so to speak, with these otherwise invisible hidden ones.

And now in the 21st century, we've got perhaps the ideal tool, which is actually pure DMT itself.

And we're kind of learning how to use that now with our own kind of modern twist, if you like.

Yeah, I think, you know, with regards to the connection between the abduction phenomenon and the DMT state, for example, I think the DMT state, as I said, is when the DMT state creates this neurological state where this intelligence can interact with our brain directly.

And I think that the abduction, you know, John Mack towards the end,

later on at least, he left behind the kind of the nuts and bolts idea that we're talking about physical beings that were landing on the lawn, sneaking in through the window and plucking people from their beds.

But actually, the intelligences might well be entirely non-physical, but were interacting with their brain in the same way I think is happening with DMT, that they are interacting directly with

and inducing them effectively into this altered state and directed them to some end.

I don't know what the purpose is.

Directed them into their vision of their reality or for some other purpose.

I'm not sure.