Andrew Gallimore

Do the predictions that we had, myself and Rick Strassman, do they actually work in humans?

And they found out that in fact that it does.

You can induce somebody into the DMT state and you can actually stabilize the experience.

So rather than just being a... Oh, Jamie.

Since I'm talking about this, I can show you actually what DMT trips or the kind of the time course of a DMT trip looks like over time.

So normally what happens is the blood level will rise very, very rapidly.

You inject someone with DMT, blood levels rise.

They reach the brain and then almost immediately they start.

collapsing down again exponentially.

And that brief period when the brain levels are high is the breakthrough state.

However, when the brain DMT levels reach a kind of a peak, you then start an infusion.

You can basically compensate for the DMT that's being lost by metabolism.

It's a bit like if you have a bathtub full of water and you pull the plug, the water drains.

But if you turn on the taps, you can keep the level constant.

And so that's the infusion.

So you stabilize the state.

And our hope was that the actual experience itself, rather than that initial rollercoaster phase that you get with DMT, where it's all very, very disorienting and he's like, you know,

What's going on?

For most people, that's kind of it.

And then you're dragged back out again.