Andrew Hawkins

No, no. I mean, I have shared privately in recovery rooms, in certain environments, the litany of worst of the worst. And I have no desire to get into – glorifying that behavior by listing all of it out. But I was not aware that I did it. But it's so fascinating that you mentioned this because somebody asked me about this at dinner last night.

No, no. I mean, I have shared privately in recovery rooms, in certain environments, the litany of worst of the worst. And I have no desire to get into – glorifying that behavior by listing all of it out. But I was not aware that I did it. But it's so fascinating that you mentioned this because somebody asked me about this at dinner last night.

I did an interview for a group called Think that creates videos for mental health and wellness programs. support for people. And they came and interviewed me and I told them a story that wound up being in this cut. They created a seven minute video. We're going to put it up on my website and on my YouTube, I think next week. I think folks can see it. It's think.com or think.org.

I did an interview for a group called Think that creates videos for mental health and wellness programs. support for people. And they came and interviewed me and I told them a story that wound up being in this cut. They created a seven minute video. We're going to put it up on my website and on my YouTube, I think next week. I think folks can see it. It's think.com or think.org.

I really should know that. But it's quite a compelling piece that they put together. They invested a lot of money in this. The animation alone in it had to cost a fortune. It's a really well done seven minute, condensed version of my story. And in it, I talked about jerking a guy off in an alley for money when I was doing – when I needed money for heroin.

I really should know that. But it's quite a compelling piece that they put together. They invested a lot of money in this. The animation alone in it had to cost a fortune. It's a really well done seven minute, condensed version of my story. And in it, I talked about jerking a guy off in an alley for money when I was doing – when I needed money for heroin.

And I realized that I had never told – that had never come out publicly before. I think the way – the media works, more people will probably know that now that I'm talking to you about it, then we'll ever see it on think. So when you talk earlier about the value of sharing these, these details, it is in there.

And I realized that I had never told – that had never come out publicly before. I think the way – the media works, more people will probably know that now that I'm talking to you about it, then we'll ever see it on think. So when you talk earlier about the value of sharing these, these details, it is in there.

I'm sure there are people out there who are just absolutely horrified listening to that, but I know there are also people, men out there and women who will listen to that and say, yeah, I did that too. For, for some, or a version of that, that kind of behavior where you will cross every moral line to get, to prioritize your using is that, that jumping off place that we, we,

I'm sure there are people out there who are just absolutely horrified listening to that, but I know there are also people, men out there and women who will listen to that and say, yeah, I did that too. For, for some, or a version of that, that kind of behavior where you will cross every moral line to get, to prioritize your using is that, that jumping off place that we, we,

As alcoholics and drug addicts in recovery, when we look back, we say, wow, that was another line that I crossed. Oh, another year later, that was another line that I crossed. And in fact, it was those behaviors that year that made me think, all right, drugs bad, booze legal, I'll just do that. And it wound up, as I said, accelerating my downfall.

As alcoholics and drug addicts in recovery, when we look back, we say, wow, that was another line that I crossed. Oh, another year later, that was another line that I crossed. And in fact, it was those behaviors that year that made me think, all right, drugs bad, booze legal, I'll just do that. And it wound up, as I said, accelerating my downfall.

It's overwhelming. And, you know, I mean, where did you get the sensitivity to that? Because most people aren't sensitive to that. To which part? The loss of dignity, the shame?

It's overwhelming. And, you know, I mean, where did you get the sensitivity to that? Because most people aren't sensitive to that. To which part? The loss of dignity, the shame?

I mean, yes. I mean, could you absorb that intellectually? I mean, you're very empathetic.

I mean, yes. I mean, could you absorb that intellectually? I mean, you're very empathetic.

It is. Every year I get better. It was a process to identify it. It was a process. It was a sequence in my life. There was the first couple of years that I was, you know. clean, I mean before real sobriety kind of set in, my life was very simple. I worked from nine to five, I went to meetings, I went home, I went to bed. There was no workaholism. There were also no relationships.

It is. Every year I get better. It was a process to identify it. It was a process. It was a sequence in my life. There was the first couple of years that I was, you know. clean, I mean before real sobriety kind of set in, my life was very simple. I worked from nine to five, I went to meetings, I went home, I went to bed. There was no workaholism. There were also no relationships.

There were also no bills coming to the house. You know, life. I wasn't in the complete flow of life. The more I inserted myself into the complete flow of life and became successful because I didn't have the drugs and alcohol to interfere. And because I had learned a different way of living and a different platform on which I mean, physical platform, literal platform on which to predicate my life.

There were also no bills coming to the house. You know, life. I wasn't in the complete flow of life. The more I inserted myself into the complete flow of life and became successful because I didn't have the drugs and alcohol to interfere. And because I had learned a different way of living and a different platform on which I mean, physical platform, literal platform on which to predicate my life.