Andrew Hawkins

OK, I know. But it's like I'm you're not allowed to have ego about that. You're not allowed to say because I'm scared if I get too much ego about where it's going to take me. It's not about acknowledging that, you know... Isn't there self-love there, though? There should be. In being proud of yourself? Should be. I'm just not, you know, I'm not... you know, feet of clay.

OK, I know. But it's like I'm you're not allowed to have ego about that. You're not allowed to say because I'm scared if I get too much ego about where it's going to take me. It's not about acknowledging that, you know... Isn't there self-love there, though? There should be. In being proud of yourself? Should be. I'm just not, you know, I'm not... you know, feet of clay.

I'm still frail in different parts of my life. But the point is I am okay today when people, someone said to me, well, you and Bourdain built that channel. And I was like, in my head, I'm like, just say thank you. Just say thank you. Don't argue, just say thank you. And I finally just said, thank you. Five, six years ago. And I've been able to say thank you and acknowledge that we did do that.

I'm still frail in different parts of my life. But the point is I am okay today when people, someone said to me, well, you and Bourdain built that channel. And I was like, in my head, I'm like, just say thank you. Just say thank you. Don't argue, just say thank you. And I finally just said, thank you. Five, six years ago. And I've been able to say thank you and acknowledge that we did do that.

And then they put us on different nights to kind of stretch the slate, as it were. It's just network strategy for growing audience. It worked. Tony stayed on Monday. I went to Tuesday. I brought my audience over. They could put other shows underneath me and just grow a night. And then they take that person I grew and put them on Wednesday.

And then they put us on different nights to kind of stretch the slate, as it were. It's just network strategy for growing audience. It worked. Tony stayed on Monday. I went to Tuesday. I brought my audience over. They could put other shows underneath me and just grow a night. And then they take that person I grew and put them on Wednesday.

I mean, so it's a long term, decade long strategy to grow the audience. the network, which they did. But we really made that for them. And when they put me on Tuesday night, we became very competitive. And people always, you know, you're the two best shows on Travel Channel, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we sort of had the same content wheel.

I mean, so it's a long term, decade long strategy to grow the audience. the network, which they did. But we really made that for them. And when they put me on Tuesday night, we became very competitive. And people always, you know, you're the two best shows on Travel Channel, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we sort of had the same content wheel.

So our competition started to become who's going to get to Cuba first? Who's going to get to North Korea first? Who's going to get to... Syria first, you know, and we would call each other on the phone and and and kid each other about it But you'd hang up and you'd be like I'm gonna get I'm you know We got to get our visas before Bourdain does right like competitive.

So our competition started to become who's going to get to Cuba first? Who's going to get to North Korea first? Who's going to get to... Syria first, you know, and we would call each other on the phone and and and kid each other about it But you'd hang up and you'd be like I'm gonna get I'm you know We got to get our visas before Bourdain does right like competitive.

Much less helpful. But I mean, even if we're playing darts, people say to me, what kind of sports do you like to play? And I always say anything where I can keep score. Because even if you beat me 90 to 60, I'm like, OK, there's a benchmark. Next time you'll beat me 90 to 70. The next time it's going to be a toss up. Right. I'm just going to I'm going to practice. I'm going to figure it out.

Much less helpful. But I mean, even if we're playing darts, people say to me, what kind of sports do you like to play? And I always say anything where I can keep score. Because even if you beat me 90 to 60, I'm like, OK, there's a benchmark. Next time you'll beat me 90 to 70. The next time it's going to be a toss up. Right. I'm just going to I'm going to practice. I'm going to figure it out.

I'm going to. And it's what I love about. It's what I love about life are those little competitions and scorekeeping. However, I can go into a dangerous place with it where it is much less helpful.

I'm going to. And it's what I love about. It's what I love about life are those little competitions and scorekeeping. However, I can go into a dangerous place with it where it is much less helpful.

I got to clamp it on there and realize that I don't have to just keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing.

I got to clamp it on there and realize that I don't have to just keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing.

At a certain point after that South Beach thing, we got together. We got together with our kids. We got to know each other a lot better. We were able to talk about... the issues that we were having in life as opposed to just our work or, you know, you just go to that next level of relationship with somebody. And it was a and in fact, the very last time I saw him,

At a certain point after that South Beach thing, we got together. We got together with our kids. We got to know each other a lot better. We were able to talk about... the issues that we were having in life as opposed to just our work or, you know, you just go to that next level of relationship with somebody. And it was a and in fact, the very last time I saw him,

was down here at South Beach Wine and Food Festival the year that he killed himself. And I was working when that happened. And it was a very, very, very difficult day, a very tragic day. But I was able, because we were close friends, I was able...

was down here at South Beach Wine and Food Festival the year that he killed himself. And I was working when that happened. And it was a very, very, very difficult day, a very tragic day. But I was able, because we were close friends, I was able...