Andrew Jarecki

And they said instead of letting kids visit their parents in jail and actually get to see them and hug them and maybe have some kind of normalcy, let's install video visit terminals.

So the cover story was the video visits are going to be great because you don't have to drive across the state to see your loved one.

But the contract specifically said that they had to replace in-person visits.

So when a kid went to go visit his dad, even if he was 20 yards away from him in the prison waiting room, he had to use a video terminal, which cost $12.99 for 20 minutes, and he was not allowed to see his dad in person.

So so that's an example of, you know, and that's in the contract that's in the secure contract that said that they have to eliminate the in-person visits.

So when you allow that for-profit motive to be driving things in these like state institutions where theoretically we should have some kind of like moral approach that makes sense for society or can help community or build our relationships or help people stay in touch with their loved ones when they're incarcerated.

When you add that for-profit motive there, the system is just designed to exploit.

It just is natural that all those people have to get – there's kind of a value to every visit.

Every time a visit – every time a kid comes and visits a parent, it's worth $12.99.

Well, why do it for free if you can get $12.99 for it?

You just dismiss it.

I really believe – I've heard you talk about the fusion of responsibility before.

I think it's such a huge part of what drives all this is that you have people who don't really have to ask themselves the hard question.

Am I the person that's exploiting somebody?

Am I the person that's overcharging a mom?

Am I the person that's charging somebody a crazy amount of money for their medication or allowing somebody to die from medical neglect?

because once you have a corporation and you look at that org chart, you know, you can see the org chart as, oh, that's a nice orderly way of getting commerce to move forward.

But it's also a thousand points of responsibility.

Every one of those persons just takes a tiny measure of responsibility.

Well, I'm just in the accounting department.