Andrew Jarecki

I mean, you know, I don't make the rules.

I don't make the laws, you know, and you see that

You know, in the healthcare industry, people recording their calls with their healthcare providers or their insurance companies saying, oh, I'm sorry, I really can't answer.

That's not my job.

Somebody else makes that decision.

And so when you have these massive organizations, there's a way for very bad things to happen.

And it's like the death of a thousand cuts.

I mean, you know, I've heard you talk a lot about mental health.

And obviously, there are a lot of causes of mental health problems.

And, you know, that includes social media.

It includes sort of alienation.

It includes a lot of things that are present in society.

But the prison industrial complex and the experience of having somebody incarcerated...

has a huge impact on mental health.

I think people don't realize when you have two million people locked up in these facilities and many of them are just being traumatized every day, whether they're seeing somebody get killed or they're constantly in fear for their life, the idea that those people are gonna somehow be okay when you wanna let them out 10 years later and they're gonna rejoin society, you give them $50 and a bus ticket,

And you say, hey, I hope you can become a taxpayer.

Meantime, they don't have enough money to pay for one red roof in for one night.

They can't do anything when they get out of prison.

And then we say, well, why is there such high recidivism?

I guess that means they're bad people.