Andrew Jarecki

So let's put them back in.

So the mental health implications for the people that are incarcerated are huge and the people who are in their families, as you say.

Yeah.

And there are ways to do it.

If you go into the – I mean all this sounds very dark and horrible and it is.

But there are a lot of positive –

developments that you can see when you give them a chance to grow in society.

So for example, I love what you say about community, about the importance of building community and seeing the country as our community.

And, you know, if we're torturing people that are in our community, if we're being cruel to people that are in our community, what does it say about us?

Right.

You know, what does it say about Christianity?

What does it say about, you know, about...

And about God, what does it say about forgiveness?

And clearly, we see that there are so many instances where people are trying, you know, trying to do something better.

There's a woman...

named Erica in Alabama, who was a mental health professional.

And she described to me what it was like to try to give mental health services to people who are incarcerated.

And I was trying to figure out, looking at these images of the places that they keep people and these cells, these solitary cells with just a little tray slot, and they're in there for

in a five by eight room with no windows and they could be in there literally for years.

And I said to her, well, can you tell me like when you do a session with somebody and you're trying to talk to them about their suicidal ideation or their various problems,