Andrew Jarecki

every method that he can use to call attention to the problem that 20,000 other people have.

And he's using a contraband cell phone to talk to us knowing that he's probably going to get retaliated against by the authorities once the film comes out or once they know that he's organizing a labor strike.

He would be an unbelievable asset to society if he were out

in the world, right?

He's advocating for nonviolence.

He's obviously smart as a whip.

And he's incredibly motivating to other people.

You know, he's got that entire prison system listening to him when they want to be violent because they're so angry at the treatment.

And the prison system starts bird feeding them, starts to cut off their food rations to force them back to work.

And kinetic, Robert Earl is the person who says, you know, that's not going to solve anything.

We don't want to do that.

So, you know, you see this huge level of humanity, talent, thoughtfulness in people that are locked away.

And we just assume, well, if they're in prison, that means that they're bad people.

In the meantime, there's so many other people on the outside who don't get locked up for doing things that are much worse.

You know, so it's a very confusing message to be sending.

Well, especially for someone like you who did the jinx and then you do this.

Yeah, I mean, it's a really good point.

I worked for a long time on the story of Robert Durst.

And when we discovered evidence that showed that he had killed his wife and his best friend and his neighbor in Galveston dismembered him, we found the only evidence that proved that he did those things.

And suddenly, I was in a dialogue with the LA district attorney, the LAPD, talking about how to get him arrested.