Andrew Jarecki

It's not a bullshit bill.

It's a real bill about how you take the investigations because you saw in the film the investigations are run by the same department that commits the crimes.

So I think we're seeing a lot of positive things.

action as a result of the film and I think that's what transparency is all about is if the public can see it and I appreciate your

talking about this and having this be in the public conversation because it's really important if people see it they they're not happy about it they understand that something more humane needs to be done yeah i think universally i don't think anybody could watch that and not think something should be done so thank you really appreciate it thank you bye everybody

Thank you.

Yeah, I think nothing's a straight line, certainly for me.

And I was noticing also your podcast around that same time, and I was sort of

I was kind of holding back because I thought, is this going to influence what we're working on?

You know, um, just because it's hard, like when you're making one thing and then somebody else does something else.

And especially if it's a smart person, you're like, uh, what if they do this better or what do they have an idea?

And then I'm drawn to that idea or something like that.

But I did get to listen to it and it's, it's really superb and, and, and, and, and extremely familiar to me.

So I, um,

You know, when I was making Capturing the Freedmen's, I had reason to go into Dannemora Correctional Facility in upstate New York.

And I found that the visit was so punishing just as a visitor.

Everything about it was so difficult and brutal.

And then when I saw...

the waiting room and I saw how people were being treated there.

I just thought, I think I need to get deeper into this prison.