Andrew Jarecki

And I wasn't able to do that.

But then over the years, I just visited a lot of prisons.

Um, and I was really amazed at how poorly we do this.

Um, but yeah,

I never really understood the Alabama system because it's so secretive.

I mean, I would say all prisons in the U.S.

are sort of treated like black sites.

And, you know, you drive down the highway and you see a little metal sign that says XYZ Correctional Facility in upstate New York or someplace.

And you think, well, I probably don't need to drive down.

If anything really bad's happening, you know, somebody will tell me about it.

But that presupposes that you will be able to read it in a paper.

You will be able to see a television show that explains it.

And that's not the case because the press is really not allowed to visit prisons.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can visit a war zone, and you can't go to a prison in the United States of America.

And so I was always curious, and then...

Didn't think I would ever get a chance to do it.

And then oddly, my daughter, who was like 14, she went to Dalton.

And at Dalton, they had a really good speaker program.

And they had brought in a guy named Anthony Ray Hinton, who had been wrongfully convicted.