Andrew Jarecki

But you hear you have Steve Marshall, the one person that we share in this podcast and also in the film.

who says, you know, I've been told that there's some kind of systemic problem in all of our facilities, right?

We've just been watching an hour of the most punishing material.

You can't imagine prison after prison after prison, Donaldson prison, Kilby prison, Bibb prison, each one of these places, Holman, where they have 240 people on the death row, and your guy was, right, before he was executed,

You've been watching that for an hour.

And then here's Steve Marshall, the chief law enforcement officer of the state of Alabama.

And he says, I've been told that there's some systemic problem in all of our facilities.

And I wholeheartedly disagree with that.

And it's not just willful blindness.

I mean, it's just intentional cruelty.

It's a willingness to preside over a system of death camps.

They are death camps.

We have to say that's what they are.

Since we started working on the film, which was seven years ago—

1,500 people have died in that little prison system.

You know, they have 20,000 people in the prison system.

They have another 25,000 in the jails in Alabama where people die regularly.

And somehow people are dying of, you know, highest level of drug overdose of any prison system in the country.

Not that there are not lots of other horrific ones.

Highest numbers of suicide, highest level of sexual assault.