Andrew Jarecki

And I think it's a question you have to ask in a kind of longitudinal way.

Because you're having the most fun in the very beginning.

because it's all new and then you're halfway through it and it's like the dark night of the soul and you think it's a disaster and then you look back and you think oh my god you know that was the time and then you get further along and you solve a problem and then that's the time and then you get to the end of the whole thing you look back and that's a different so i guess it's the question you know if you ask the question over time did you have a dark night of the soul moment with this documentary it lasted like seven years

So, yeah, by definition.

But it wasn't so much... I mean, there were plenty of times we thought, I don't know whether this is going to work.

And you go to the best advisors you have and you show material and you just watch and see how people react.

And then you do... We do these other things, like we'll do a session with a whiteboard and the whole team of people that are working on the film...

will say, okay, what are the five things that I feel like, if these aren't in the movie, we've made a terrible mistake.

And then you end up with 35 things on the board.

And then you think, all right, well, what is this telling me?

You just try to look at it a million different ways.

You know, you kind of keep moving it around.

There's this great moment in Ibsen, you know, in Master Builder, and there's this character named Hilda who works with this architect, and the architect is this very grand fellow that is building big buildings and all that stuff.

And then you see her saying, at the end of it, her last line is she says, the master builder, my master builder.

And a lot of people have...

comment about that over the years and written about it that is really that hilda at that time in uh history like a young brilliant woman needed another person who thought that they were a great builder but really it was her ideas that were coming through and i do feel that way here that they're that they're that the men knew what they needed

It's not, I don't want to act like it's working.

I mean, Alabama is still, this is a still an urgent problem.

Alabama is still killing people in its custody all the time.

I think people right now are dying at the rate of around one a day.