Andrew Klavan

And we should do that with our friend, Allie Beth Stuckey.

Allie, hello.

So clavicular, just for those who haven't caught my extended sit-down, we're kind of joking about him because he uses goofy language and he's a 19-year-old.

I think now he's 20 and he gets into all sorts of trouble.

But I actually think he's quite an interesting cultural figure because he's apolitical.

He was kind of mocking me for caring at all about politics.

He said he wanted to vote for Gavin Newsom over J.D.

Vance because he finds Newsom sexier.

He said he doesn't care about the transgender issue because transvestites are just another person to mug and he doesn't want to spike his cortisol by stressing out about politics.

And I'm sure he's joking about some or all of that, but there is a reason why he's caught attention.

And I think some of that is because it's such a swing, everything is so politicized.

And he is this kind of decadent Nietzschean figure.

And in many ways, it's funny he was talking about the transvestite issue because he himself kind of openly embraces

a right-wing form of body dysmorphia, where he says that all that matters is how you look, and he brags about how he injected himself with illegal testosterone starting at age 14.

He made himself infertile because of it, but he wants to look smacks because all that matters in this world is appearances, so we need to be decadent, hedonistic, create our own meaning, and then basically take a dirt nap and turn to worm food.

No, but, you know, legitimately...

I actually think it's not a great comparison because Milo, whether you love him or hate him or feel indifferent to him, Milo does talk about politics.

He does think about politics.

He has read a lot of books.

And Clavicular is like the opposite.