Andrew Klavan

Clavicular is very provocative and everything, but he assiduously avoids anything with real meaning.

In fact, that's kind of his pitch to the audience is I'm just going to be nothing but a pretty face.

And, you know, that in itself is kind of meaningful, I think.

Yes, and the reason why is that, and the reason why I think Clavicular, oddly enough, is an important and interesting figure, is that he is a symptom specifically of our age and his generation, and he's an extreme version of it, but he was raised

entirely on the internet.

This was the through line that I kept trying to poke at and figure out in our long conversation, was that every aspect of his life, from getting the illegal drugs when he was 14, to even coming to the idea that he should be injecting himself with illegal drugs, to falling into the subcultures that suggest that all that matters is how you look, to the way that he lives his life, which is entirely in a fishbowl for live streams, the most extreme 24-7 version of reality TV,

All of it is because he was raised on the Internet in a way that none of us were.

You know, I had a computer and the Internet since I was five or six years old.

So even even we had some touch of that.

And this is a completely different level.

And so clavicular himself.

creates a kind of a hyper-reality where it's so meta.

His political views are meta-political.

His views of what a man is are kind of meta-views.

It's like this totally abstracted image of what a man could be that has nothing to do with fertility, for instance.

Virility, you know, where the word man comes from, vir.

It has nothing to do with

actually finding a woman, getting married, doing anything, contributing to your community, getting a job.

It's all just appearances without substance beneath it.

But he's aware of that.