Andrew Klavan

Like, he'll talk about that in a way that, I don't know, it's Nietzsche for 2026, I think.

Look, there's a distinction.

Yeah, I think you're diagnosing the cultural milieu for sure.

But I think there's a distinction between all three of those guys.

I don't think they're all nihilists.

On the distinction here, you've got Fuentes, who is... I don't think he's a nihilist.

I think he's a reactionary.

I disagree.

I think he's a nihilist.

I think he's a nihilist masquerading as a reactionary.

Possibly.

He certainly comes out of a nihilistic sort of milieu, but I think he has...

at least a somewhat coherent and reactionary view of politics.

Someone like Andrew Tate, I think, is a hedonist, and that's what he's selling to people.

But with Clavicula, I also don't think he's selling nihilism.

I think he's selling vitalism.

You know, I think he's selling that he's gonna be the ubermensch.

I mean, the way that he talks about how people are supposed to behave is, he says, we're gonna ascend

or descend.

So it's even kind of the language of the uba mention and the unta mention.