Andrew Klavan

And he says that I don't think he sees a lack of meaning in the world so much as maybe there is a lack of meaning, but we're going to create our own meaning.

And the only way you're going to do that is by mogging people through sheer tyranny of will and by perfecting your physique.

In some ways, I think clavicular is born out of Bronze Age pervert.

Bronze Age pervert kind of

bringing up Nietzsche for the modern age.

So I'm not even totally joking when I make the Nietzsche reference.

They're all offering something a little bit different.

And I think that, you know, look, I'm an old stodgy conservative.

Everyone flirts.

They're on the right.

They're on the left.

They like Nietzsche.

They like this.

They like that.

Me, I stay pretty consistent about it.

But that, too, is a different kind of approach.

So they're all offering something.

And in a time of great political shifting and confusion, I'm really not surprised that different guys like that are popping off.

You were transition maxing, without question.

Well, there's also a transition because the next topic we have to talk about is, I guess it's sort of in all of our wheelhouses, but only one of us made a global hit movie about it.