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Andrew Marantz

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The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And he comes in and instead of saying, who needs Luddite regulators?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

He says, actually, please regulate me because the thing I'm building is so scary that if you don't regulate me, everyone you love will die.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And it turns out to be a counterintuitively very good sales pitch.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And even more importantly.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

It's a good pitch for recruiting.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And in fact, the very people, the scientific researchers who were most capable of building advanced AI were some of the most freaked out about it.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

So in order to pitch to them and recruit to them, he had to come to them, according to a lot of people, and say, I'm as scared as you are.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

The blip?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

Yeah.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

What was the blip?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

So one of the top people who they recruited, who took, who was offered $6 million a year at Google and turned it down in order to go work for the good guys, was this guy Ilya Sutskeverer.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

who was on the board in 2023, and he started to get the feeling, as we quote him in the piece, saying, I don't think Sam is the guy who should have his finger on the button, to return to the atom bomb analogy.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And so...

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

he starts to rally the board against sam now this has been a lingering question for years in silicon valley what did ilya see what is in his secret memos that he compiled is there a smoking gun is there some one thing that explains it all and what we found and the reason that you graciously gave us 16 000 words to explain it is that

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

There is not one smoking gun.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

There is this small accumulation of detailed patterns of behavior that add up to, in aggregate, what people like Slutskever felt was someone who can't be entrusted with this world-altering technology.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

Well, and also one of their defenses was we weren't talking about selling it.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

We were talking about giving it to them.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

Much better.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

So these are all hypotheticals and they are kind of crazy sounding hypotheticals.