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Andrew Marantz

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The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

We are not familiar with that, which was pretty shocking to me. But also, as Zach says, in other pillars like the media, we're faring way better than they are.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

We are not familiar with that, which was pretty shocking to me. But also, as Zach says, in other pillars like the media, we're faring way better than they are.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

I think you could... I mean, I'm with you that this week, as compared to a couple of weeks ago, the wind seems to be shifting in that direction. But I think in terms of assessing which timeline we're on... I'm not sure that it's that material where the winds are shifting this week or last week or last month. I think it's just too early to know.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

I think you could... I mean, I'm with you that this week, as compared to a couple of weeks ago, the wind seems to be shifting in that direction. But I think in terms of assessing which timeline we're on... I'm not sure that it's that material where the winds are shifting this week or last week or last month. I think it's just too early to know.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

So I think if we're on a timeline that is anything like competitive authoritarianism, the first year or two or three might be the period we should look at rather than the first hundred days.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

So I think if we're on a timeline that is anything like competitive authoritarianism, the first year or two or three might be the period we should look at rather than the first hundred days.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

The competitive part means you still have elections. They may be free but not fair elections. They may be heavily gerrymandered elections. But it's not the totalitarian thing where the tanks roll in and it's emergency law forever and you rip up the Constitution.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

The competitive part means you still have elections. They may be free but not fair elections. They may be heavily gerrymandered elections. But it's not the totalitarian thing where the tanks roll in and it's emergency law forever and you rip up the Constitution.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

It's a more subtle thing that political scientists, Stephen Levitsky and Lucan Way, tell you is happening before you kind of realize it's happening. So... Orban is looked at as the model, the most successful consolidation of power. He didn't get what he wanted right away. He doesn't even get everything he wants now. He could lose the next election. I mean, maybe, maybe. I mean, he could.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

It's a more subtle thing that political scientists, Stephen Levitsky and Lucan Way, tell you is happening before you kind of realize it's happening. So... Orban is looked at as the model, the most successful consolidation of power. He didn't get what he wanted right away. He doesn't even get everything he wants now. He could lose the next election. I mean, maybe, maybe. I mean, he could.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

But even on a micro scale. There was a radio station that he wanted to get rid of when he first came into office. It was tied up in the courts until 2021, and then he finally shut it down. So I think, sure, the fact that the wind seems to be at the back of some of the resistance stuff this week is notable and I think hopeful.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

But even on a micro scale. There was a radio station that he wanted to get rid of when he first came into office. It was tied up in the courts until 2021, and then he finally shut it down. So I think, sure, the fact that the wind seems to be at the back of some of the resistance stuff this week is notable and I think hopeful.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

And to be clear about my position, I don't think it's like we're cooked and it's over. But... I mean, basically what I think the goal should be is, you know, there's one of these great Orwell aphorisms. It's sort of overused, but I think for a good reason. Seeing what's in front of one's nose needs a daily struggle.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

And to be clear about my position, I don't think it's like we're cooked and it's over. But... I mean, basically what I think the goal should be is, you know, there's one of these great Orwell aphorisms. It's sort of overused, but I think for a good reason. Seeing what's in front of one's nose needs a daily struggle.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

And I think to see things clearly, you need to not be writing backwards from the end of the story.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

And I think to see things clearly, you need to not be writing backwards from the end of the story.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

And they get paraded out at events.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

And they get paraded out at events.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

Yeah, I think that basically sounds right, and it explains how the figure of Soros or the international Jew is kind of used in different ways. I mean, you don't have to look much further than Elon Musk doing what looked a lot like something that sort of seemed like a Roman salute, and then... And then Steve Bannon doing it. And then Steve Bannon doing it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Is Trump Losing? A Debate

Yeah, I think that basically sounds right, and it explains how the figure of Soros or the international Jew is kind of used in different ways. I mean, you don't have to look much further than Elon Musk doing what looked a lot like something that sort of seemed like a Roman salute, and then... And then Steve Bannon doing it. And then Steve Bannon doing it.