Andrew Marantz

He redefines the alignment problem away from this civilizational existential thing.

Now he defines the alignment problem as something that's annoying, like, you know, Instagram algorithms that tempt you to waste your time.

So he just kind of shifts the pitch.

I really agree.

And I think one way of putting this, David, is those memos that were the initial thing that got him fired, if something simple enough...

If those memos had contained a simple enough smoking gun, we would have known about it long before this.

They don't contain a single smoking gun.

What they contain is a pattern of behavior that you need a 16,000-word New Yorker piece to elucidate, genuinely.

Thanks, David.

And terminate the Constitution.

And terminate the Constitution.

I think that the sort of are they losing thing, I sort of have a few issues with it. One is I sort of disagree with some of the particulars of the way we're accounting for the checklist, like the fact that they're losing court cases four to one. It depends on what the strategy is. If the strategy is to win every court case, then that's not a winning strategy.

I think that the sort of are they losing thing, I sort of have a few issues with it. One is I sort of disagree with some of the particulars of the way we're accounting for the checklist, like the fact that they're losing court cases four to one. It depends on what the strategy is. If the strategy is to win every court case, then that's not a winning strategy.

I don't think their strategy is to win every court case. I think there's a little bit of a heads I win, tails you lose kind of strategy where Trump has done a lot of losing of court cases in his life. He doesn't really seem to mind it that much. If he loses, maybe he loses partially. Maybe it's a splitting the baby kind of partial victory. And then he wins.

I don't think their strategy is to win every court case. I think there's a little bit of a heads I win, tails you lose kind of strategy where Trump has done a lot of losing of court cases in his life. He doesn't really seem to mind it that much. If he loses, maybe he loses partially. Maybe it's a splitting the baby kind of partial victory. And then he wins.

a few court cases and he can take that as a victory. So I think if you lose sight of the felt experience of what it is like to be an American right now, and you just go to the checklist and you go to the norms and institutions, I think you're missing a key part of it. Like I can tell you the chilling of speech is working. It is working.

a few court cases and he can take that as a victory. So I think if you lose sight of the felt experience of what it is like to be an American right now, and you just go to the checklist and you go to the norms and institutions, I think you're missing a key part of it. Like I can tell you the chilling of speech is working. It is working.

whether they lose every court case or not, people's speech is chilled. Whose speech? Students that I've spoken to. Do you think the media is chilled? Yeah. Well, I mean, so... See, I don't.

whether they lose every court case or not, people's speech is chilled. Whose speech? Students that I've spoken to. Do you think the media is chilled? Yeah. Well, I mean, so... See, I don't.

Well, the New Yorker... Blink twice, Andrew. The New Yorker so far is not... Well, this is another thing, which is... where are we on the timeline? Yes, where are we on the timeline? If we're 100 days in, I mean, you totally could have gone to Orban's Hungary 100 days in and said, he hasn't taken control of the media. It took him seven or eight years to get control of the media.